Jennifer Knapp exits the closet
One of my favorite Christian artists from a number of years ago, Jennifer Knapp, has just come out of the closet, telling Christianity Today that she is a lesbian. She tries hard to make the case that the homosexual lifestyle and Christianity are compatible, but she fails.
Knapp makes a reference to “the conservative evangelical who uses what most people refer to as the “clobber verses” to refer to this loving relationship as an abomination, while they’re eating shellfish and wearing clothes of five different fabrics, and various other Scriptures we could argue about.”
So she’s justifying her ongoing sexual sin by criticizing others, simply because she has a faulty understanding of the law and grace.
As Christians, we need to pray hard for Jennifer Knapp, that she’ll be able to get past her personal desires and confusion, and see the truth.
I pers0nally think she has a valid point. Do you only wear pure fabrics? if not, according to the bible, you’re sinning, just like us gays…. See you in hell
The ceremonial and dietary laws were done away with (Jesus: “It is finished.”) but the NT says homosexuality is an abomination.
The younger generation of Christians are so much more loving and accepting of our gay and bisexual Christian brethren. There is so much more understanding of this issue and less of a tendency to use religion as a pretext for homophobic prejudice. As a Christian, Jennifer Knapp’s coming out makes me introspectively examine how I am treating and loving gay and bisexual Christians in my church and elsewhere.
Lucas,
According to a comment to a different post by good ol’ peas, you are not a real christian. Chat amongst yourselves
The Bible is clear about homosexuality, and she is just twisting it so she can live that lifestyle. Well she has lost another fan and I pray she changes her ways.
Fundamentalists and rightwingers only think there version of Christianity is true. Thankfully, I know better and attend a vibrant Christian (Lutheran) Church that does not believe in fundamentalism or worship inerrancy. We welcome gay Christians and bless gay unions. Jennifer Knapp has a wonderful choice of Christian congregations that fully welcome and accept partnered gay and lesbian Christians. She can fellowship with us!
Jamal and Lucas, if you or your churches accept homosexuality, you are not following the Bible. If you don’t follow the teachings of the Bible, how can you claim the name of Christ?
The NT clearly says homosexuality is wrong. There’s no denying it. Now, you may try the gambit that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. While that may be technically true, He did say: “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one.”
According to Jesus, ONLY one man and one woman can be united as one flesh. That’s it.
So “open” churches can celebrate same-sex marriages or partnerships if they want, but they shouldn’t use the name of Christ when they do so.
Thankfully, Organic is not the Christian police who gets to decide who is Christian or not. I am so glad that my church does not practice bigotry toward gay people.
Good job avoiding the point I raised, Keisha. You can yammer on all you want about being loving, but what do you do with the verses that condemn homosexuality? Ignore them?
I read them in historic context, similar to what I do about the verses regarding stoning disobedient children, slavery, genocide (Jericho, etc), and women teaching or pastoring in the church. I don’t worship Paul’s or the writer(s) of Leviticus’ words.
So you take 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “in historic context,” and make it meaningless to today?
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Personally I agree with organic. While we aren’t suppossed to be the “Christian Police” we are called to be light and truth. and accepting homosexuality as okay is not being truth and light because it is in direct contrast to the new testament. Am I saying that we should hate them? Absolutely not. Accept and condone it? Absolutely not. The Bible is a two edged sword meant to cut through our own personal comforts and self fabricated okayness. If it hurts or offends you, you’re inthe wrong.
considering the bible isn’t at all historic, just old and edited and edited – there’s no taking anything in it “historically”
you can only take what it says in context, and what it says is a lot of stuff about intolerance
so, being intolerant is pretty much a requirement of being a good xtian
I’d never heard of this gal, but I’ll look for a cd now and give it a spin – She’ll pick up a lot of fans now and probably switch to non-gospel for a bigger audience win.
Her new CD is non-Christian.
This makes me so glad I left the religious right for a truly Christian congregation. What a bunch of oppressive comments about a Christian sister who just happens to be gay. Good riddance with bigotry in religion.
Javier, how do you deal with 1 Cor 6:9-10?
I deal with it as Paul’s opinion. Unlike Paul, I believe that commited, same-sex marriage relationships are permissible for Christians. So, I think Paul was wrong on this matter, as well as some other things, including his view of women, female pastors/teachers. I don’t worship Paul nor any other Christian’s opinion.
The term Homosexuals in 1 Cor 6:9-10 is actually a modern day simplification (And in my opinion bias) from the word effeminate. I know PLENTY of straight males who are effeminate, and Plenty of non effeminate homosexuals.
Sources:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc1.htm
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-9.htm
OP
Since christians ignore all that Leviticus stuff about selling rude kids into slavery, not plowing with an ass and an ox together and not wearing poly-cotton blends
the christians who are accepting of gays and lesbians are handling any parts of the bible that don’t fit their world view the same as the ones who aren’t
it’s called cherry picking
No one follows the bible in it’s entirety – partly because most followers haven’t read it and because it’s contradictory and inconsistent.
What I don’t understand is why the intolerant camps continue to insist that theirs is a loving religion when they spend a good portion of their time distinctly not loving all their fellow people and actively harming other groups and individuals.
They really need to drop one or the other – but if figures that the one time they don’t do either/or thinking is when they want it both ways.
nina
http://ntrygg.wordpress.com/atheistindex/
In response to the random lettered dude….The old testamant laws no longer are binding to us as believers because when Christ died it did away with all that. Hence the ripping of the veil in the holy of holies. It’s also mentioned several times in the NT if you’d like to research it. So yes I personally believe very word out of the Bible. I also don’t hate gays because Christ told us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Now as I’m at work I don’t have a Bible on me but we also are not to condone the sin of others. An oft used phrase is Love the sinner hate the sin and the same holds true for homosexuality. I don’t hate any group of people and as Christians we’re not supposed to and if one is it’s because they are not walking with Christ and are out of step with Him.
so, ParadiseLost – you’re saying that your god got it wrong in the first half and Jesus was a big corrector tape?
They’re one in the same. Hence Jesus saying that if you’ve seen me you’ve seen the father. The veil was torn to represent that we could now freely talk to God without going through a Priest because as believers we are covered in the blood of Christ and that’s what God sees. That’s why most of the OT laws are there is because God can’t look on sin but when we become Chrisitans God sees his son in us. And going back to the veil…There is only mediator between God and man- the man Jesus Christ. That’s in the Bible.
ParadiseLost
You didn’t answer the question – if god is infallible, the OT wouldn’t have needed to be replaced.
and what purpose does organized religion serve to god if god no longer needs priestly prayer/forgiveness waiting?
god can’t look at sin? god invented sin by defining right and wrong, according to believers – so again, your god is not omnipotent since sin apparently is overwhelming.
what a sad sad gawd you worship
Have you ever studied the old testament in the Jewish context because it explains very clearly the reason the laws are there currently is because of sin and the need to be covered in the blood. There is oh so much I could tell you but I’m in a hurry. I could suggest reading commentaries by John Macarthur on the Old Testament laws and the purpose they were. Also messianic prophecies as well as blood atonement and it’s purpose. Not that I can’t rebuttal with you but as I said I’m in a hurry so check em out. Lol
And Christianity is not suppossed to be about religion etc it’s about the relationship one has with Christ as a Christian. I’m not a follower of organized religion as I follow the teachings of the Bible and attend a church that does the same. And what do you mean by forgiveness waiting and priestly prayer.
Ok so I’m really stepping in where I don’t want to here because I feel first of all that you “pro gay” people are being super prejudiced and unfair. So we disagree. And? I’m not saying ya’ll are dirt on my shoe cause I believe God teaches differently. Guess what? I’m a sinner too! But does that mean I can exercise my sin to any extent without fear of consequenses? No. Not at all. So ya’ll need to take a chill pill and try to think logically. At least give us credence for being thinking people. We didn’t just “decide” one day what was right and what was wrong. We take the Bible literally.
As to the question at hand… no God didn’t have to “correct” what He said in the OT. That Law was placed so He could show us that our attempts to make our own selves perfect will ALWAYS end in failure. No one could keep the ENTIRE Law. Not then and not now. The ONLY One who could was Jesus… and guess what? He did! Jesus was the only fully observing Jew able to keep the entire Law witout failing. He used teh Law and the OT to show us how needy we were… then He filled the need. His death on the Cross covered over all our sins and made it so that we don’t HAVE to keep the Law anymore.
If you want to be techincal… Jesus never specifically releases us from the confines of the Law in those terms. Peter had a vision that we interpret that way… Acts 10:13-21. But that is actually a direct reference to allowing Gentiles into fellowship with believers. Which… all of us commenting on this ARE Gentiles (or so I am assuming, perhaps unfairly)… and IF the Law was still in place… we wouldn’t even KNOW about all this!!!!
But just because the Law has been relaxed on us… does that mean we can do whatever we want with no regard to God or anyone else? God forbid! Reading Romans 3 gives a clear picture pf the dichotomy of Law versus Grace… how that even though we no longer need the Law because it has been COMPLETED by Jesus sacrifice… we still need to follow God’s Word and strive to be Holy as He is Holy. (Sorry I’m blanking on the reference for that one… But I know Jesus said it.)
THe Bible wasn’t written just to see words on paper. It is the map for our lives. Showing us the way to live that keeps us from pain, sorrow, and stupidity as we humans are prone to do. And yes I am including myself in that group! The Bible shows us how our God loves us… and the extent He will go to bring us back to Him.
ParadiseLost:
forgiveness waiting and priestly prayer – was a smart alec way to re-express your idea of no longer needing a priest to act as a middle man between the believer and the deity – humour is hard to translate with just text and no body language, facial expression, tone of voice or cadence.
and you are still avoiding the actual question which is not about the particulars in either testament, but that there was one and then it was replaced – that is not the work of an infallible deity who didn’t get their alleged text right the first time.
BatKol0307
I am not “pro gay”, I am a lesbian. I am not a sinner – that’s a concept that only has meaning within religions that use that.
If you really take the bible literally, then there is simply no way for me to view you as a thinking or logical person. If you took it as metaphors, if you took it as symbolic, sure – but literally? Dude, there’s not a big enough chill pill for you.
Good enough to try to answer the question, but it fails. And no, I have no interest in technical, the details don’t matter when the big picture is patently flawed.
If your god is omnipotent and infallible, then he’da known from the beginning that humans will always fail and given the NT to start with.
The bible is not scientifically accurate, not historically accurate and there is nothing to support any of the claimed events in it.
Unless you’re saying that your god is a sadist?
Which fits the whole setting people up to fail, drowning the world, all the slaughter and genocide, setting his “son” up for death – because the sadist answer makes a lot of sense.
but, in that case, why worship?
And if you really want to open up the super prejudice and unfair aspect – when is the last time that your civil rights were up for a vote by the population or legislature?
Well here’s the deal… I can argue this round and round with you and you will never see what I am trying to say or give me credit… simply because you do not want to. Which is cool with me. I’ll explain some but ya know. Words only go so far.
Honestly it kinda makes me laugh that you expect me… want to FORCE me to tolerate your lifestyle… yet are not willing to allow me to live mine. Why do I have to change just to please you? Simply… I don’t. I please God. I work hard to please people as well. I would speak to you if I met you. I would even be friendly to you. But I wouldn’t support your lifestyle. Just as I would expect you to act if you knew I was doing something wrong. You don’t have to change to please me either. In fact I’d rather you didn’t because then you would be lying to me, and I want to know what people think up front. The only One worth changing for is God.
He DID know in the beginning people fail constantly. But ya know we humans… we’re pretty hard headed. We DON”T know. We insist on believing we are God. (lol) So it was a picture for US. Believe it or not God doesn’t need anything to be illustrated to Him. He DRAWS the pictures. People set themselves up to fail… God lets them. He tells them what is right and the right way to go and we walk away and do whatever we please. Like a rebellious teenager. The only way for the World to not end up the way it is would be for Him to have not made us at all. Which… He could have done. But He chose to make us so that we through our actions and choices could find and praise Him.
I’m afraid to say you ARE a sinner… unless you believe you are elite above everyone else in this world. You make wrong choices that frustrate you later…. that drive friends away… that hurt good opportunities…. just like me. Just like my pastor. Just like everyone other than Jesus. It happens. Hence wars and murders etc. That’s human action against human. That’s sin rising against sin. God is perfection and healing and rescue. He is the shelter from all the chaos and destruction in the world. Call me delusional but it’s true. No my life isn’t pain free… believe me. But I am never more at peace… never more loved and loving than when I am focused on Him and His word.
And FYI…. Christians have been discriminated against and had legislation passed against them since the dawn of Christianity. All of our “founding fathers” so to speak were tortured and killed. Christians have been hunted down and exterminated in brutal ways for centuries. They still are in other parts of the world. ( check that out if you have the guts http://www.persecution.com/ ) And don’t even bring up the Crusades to me. I’ve studied them and they were NOT Christian actions. They were selfish and cold hearted men using the term and ideology of a “holy war” to gain themselves riches. I don’t believe in a “holy war” at all as killing is the antithesis to God, but I understand how it started. You’d defend yourself too if people were randomly slaughtering your pilgrims on journeys.
As for historical fact… there isn’t a page big enough for me to document all the proofs for the history in the Bible. But let me ask you a question. What proof would be proof enough to prove it to you? To even give the Bible a sliver of credibility in your mind? Tell me that and I’ll find the proof.
Science… I don’t debate. I don’t even care. I’m not a scientific person. I’m a poet, an artist, a musician. But I know true doctoral scientists that can go round and round with you til Doomsday… if it would make a difference.
I never said the words forgiveness waiting or priestly prayer, that was you. I was not being a smart alec I was simple asking you to check some jazz out. And I’m afraid that I can’t say anymore than has already been said by Bat and clearly you are not listening to what anyone has said. You stay on one topic and your rebuttlas are not even intelligent. As far as doing away with the OT because God screwed up…I do believe you got your answer in Batkol’s first post. I’m sorry if you can’t understand it because it’s not written in crayon. I don’t know what on earth happened to make you so bitter towards God and Christians in general but it’s clear that you’re not willing to at least explore the possibility of another worldview than your own. And don’t even attempt to point that back at me as I have which is why…I worship God.
Tp add- Just a thought. As far as scientifically and/or historically disproving the Bible- Not one shred of evidence has been shows that discredits the Bible in any way shape or form. As a matter of fact on the contrary. There has been an overwhelming amount of historical evidence discovered that gives claim to the fact that the Bible is literal and accurate in the historical accounts it gives in the new and old testament. If you can find an example historically where secular and archaelogical finding have been inconsistant with the Bible I will gladly look into it. In the meantime I would suggest reading up on the life of C.S. Lewis. Who wrote more than just The Chronicles of Narnia. He was an avid atheist for many years. An intelligent Atheist. Who later came to God and wrote some of the most renowned works of Christian literacy ever. Both non fiction and fiction. Mere Chrisitanity is one. But just check out some of his works. Both before and after his conversion. And remember- your mind is like an umbrella, its best used when open.
BatKol0307
I am not asking for your tolerance or acceptance – what gays and lesbians want is equality under the law and to be allowed to live their lives
No one is asking you to not believe what you want, just not impose it on others.
So, again, we’re wanting the same thing – to live our lives without interference from others.
Again, the idea of sin has no meaning outside of your faith and those faiths that rely on it.
You can use google as well as I can to get the details of how the bible is lifted from earlier religions and all the historical inaccuracies – like, there were no Jewish slaves in Egypt, King Herod did a lot of bad things and was accused of a lot more things, but he never slaughtered all the newborns. And how there are no secular documents that support the bible stories – that some of them include people who were real, doesn’t make the stories real – Forest Gump was just a movie, despite the newsreel footage of real people and Forest being in those news reels.
as for your christian victim complex, please, there’s a point at which you can’t grab for the victim mantle of much earlier generations. Pretty much, living memory – if it’s beyond your grandparent or great-grandparent at best, then you do not have a credible claim on being systemically and socially victimized.
Especially when xtians in western countries are actively victimizing other groups of people.
And no re-imaging history and using the no true scotsman fallacy. The crusades, the Spanish inquisition and the witch burnings were all down to christianty – okay the crusades were shared between xtian and muslim – but just take comfort that it wasn’t your particular version of it.
The historical intolerance of christianity towards jews enabled the holocaust in WWII.
christianity in the US over the last century, give or take a decade, has opposed every social and civil rights advance from slavery, to women voting, to black quality including interracial marriage, to women’s rights in the 70′s to gay rights in the 90′s onward.
chrisitianity is largely the driver that resists science on every front from basic biology to climate change.
“What proof would be proof enough to prove it to you? ”
Well, what proof would you want from me that it’s Odin and the Norse gods that are the true religion?
It was the lack of proof that caused me to return to being an atheist, since we are all born that way until or unless we are taught religion growing up.
that aside, before you can offer any proof, you have to define what exactly and specifically this “god” is
and I thought you might enjoy this link:
http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm
LOL well ok… I’ve made my case as clear as I can. I stand by everything I said. And by the way… my source ISN’T google… where anyone can post anything such as on this blog. My source is history… which I have studied quite extensively from many different angles. So I mean… you can turn me into whatever you want and what I say into whatever you want. I know the facts. You can’t dissuade me. I do not intend to “impose it on others.” Just discuss with those who have open minds.
And as you seem unwilling to credit me as a human… thinking living breathing INTELLEGENT… we are at an impasse.
As for “victim complexes”… nice dig. But FYI… I know people who have been tortured for their faith. Living breathing people in other countries I have eaten with as they told their stories. They live in peril every day of their lives for Christ. I could give you information that could lead to their deaths… but I never will for their sake. Believe it or not it’s true.
I’m praying for you.
BatKol0307 over and out
Last thing…. Christians aren’t the VICTIMS… we are the VICTORS…
“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
“The Holy One, the True One, the One who has the key of David, who opens and no one will close, and closes and no one opens says: I know your works. Because you have limited strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name, look, I have placed before you an open door that no one is able to close. Take note! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews and are not, but are lying—note this—I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I have loved you. Because you have kept My command to endure, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is going to come over the whole world to test those who live on the earth. I am coming quickly. Hold on to what you have, so that no one takes your crown. The victor: I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he will never go out again. I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God—the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God—and My new name. Anyone who has an ear should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches.” ~Revelation 3:7-13
BatKol0307
“And as you seem unwilling to credit me as a human”
only humans can be drama queens – you are making claims about my posts that I have not made.
believers are people too and I have never said any different.
If you have studied history then you know that there’s been many civilizations that have each had their own religions and religion comes and goes with their civilizations.
you don’t need google for that.
“Not one shred of evidence has been shows that discredits the Bible in any way shape or form”
there is no evidence that Jews were ever slaves in Egypt
there is no evidence for a global flood
the bible is set in a very small geographic area and fails to account for the majority of the continents and the people on them
there are no documents from any of the alleged time period that the stories take place in that agree with the accounts
there are no Roman records for any Jesus, there are no historians who documented this allegedly famous and culturally threatening person – in particular, not even the real people who are alleged participants of these tales left any writings with any mention of the fictional characters
again, Forest Gump
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
the only difference between a believer of any religion and an atheist is one
one religion
because any believer is an atheist to all of the other faiths, current and historic
so, I dismiss your religion for the same reasons that you reject every other religion.
nina
http://ntrygg.wordpress.com
Okay I’m going to give you some websites with scientif evidence to dispute your no historical evidence claim- Golbal flood: http://www.unmaskingevolution.com,www.allaboutcreation.org/global-flood-faq.htm, http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2885.
On the historical evidence of Christ-www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html, http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/evidence-for-jesus.htm, http://www.icr.org/article/531,www.xenos.org/classes/papers/doubt.htm.
Okay this is what I have found on these two subjects. I’ll admit that I was not able to find the evidence of Israelites as slaves in Eygpt in my intial research so I’ll continue researching. Until then you can check these out.
Sigh I post all this once before and it turned stupid on me. let’s see..oh yes…I’ll give you websites. The evidence of a global flood-
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/global-flood-faq.htm, unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm, http://www.christiananswers.net/q-ed http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/sections/sect-10/sec10-5.htmen/edn-c005.html, http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2885, http://www.icr.org/global-flood. Okay now for the evidence of the existance of Christ-
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html
http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/doubt.htm
http://www.icr.org/article/531
http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/evidence-for-jesus.htm
Okay there’s a few for you to check out on those two. Now I’ll admit I didn’t find any evidence in my intial search to support the claim of Jewish slaves but I’ll continue my research. In the meantime, check these out.
Is it just me that can’t see my responses cause I’ve posted twice?? Lol
Okay I’m going to give you some websites with scientif evidence to dispute your no historical evidence claim- Golbal flood: http://www.unmaskingevolution.com,www.allaboutcreation.org/global-flood-faq.htm, http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2885.
On the historical evidence of Christ-www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html, http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/evidence-for-jesus.htm, http://www.icr.org/article/531,www.xenos.org/classes/papers/doubt.htm.
Okay this is what I have found on these two subjects. I’ll admit that I was not able to find the evidence of Israelites as slaves in Eygpt in my intial research so I’ll continue researching. Until then you can check these out.
Maybe it’s the websites. That’s crazy anyway I posted several sites for you to look up on the evidence of both a global flood and the evidence of Christ. Incredibly easy to google. I couldn’t find any evidence to suppost the existance of Jewish slaves in my intial research but I’ll continue looking. That’s all.
Oh and just so ya know I did check out the website you supplied. However I’m baffled as to who or what is their source? It’s fascinating is you like random spewing and misconstruing of the facts without the sources from whence they came but I need sources so I can check it out further.
Josephus mentions Jesus in his “Antiquities.”
The “Jesus never existed” site says “Following a star would lead you in circles.”
Possibly, but they didn’t factor in planets. Planets appear in the sky as stars but follow their own tracks.
OP
Josephus lived 70 years after the time of the alleged Jesus – and both the references in his writings are highly suspected as forgeries – later additions.
Monks who copied other texts often added christian text to the original work that had no xtian content.
PL:
and you like to make blanket claims without any sources – what curious history books you’ve studying if you claim they back up the bible.
The Bible can stand all by itself and I’ve studied it online and in books by Josh MacDowell etc. What are the sources for the wesbsite you offered and did you even check out what I asked you to on evidence?
And if you’re curious what book by Josh MacDowell id Evidence That Demands a Verdict.
Oh and sorry for all the double posts they weren’t there yesterday. Crazy. Lol
Using the Bible and current day books who’s intent is to back that up, isn’t research – it’s confirmation bias.
Frankly, high school history classes showed the bible stories didn’t happen.
Did I say that I only read books who’s intention was to back it up? I think not. And again you’re not giving me any of your sources on either your blog or that site both of which I’ve persued OR if you checked out my sites. Which proves that I have more of an open mind than you. I don’t want you to post to me until you’ve answered my questions on sources and persued the sites I offered as I have so graciously done with yours.
Secondly, If you have a book on the subject that you have particulary enjoyed I will read it with an open mind. Provided you do the same with what I provide. Does that sound fair?
OP
There is a video on that called the star of bethelem and it follows that patterns of the star a few years before Christ’s birth to his death and ressurection it is completely awesome and totally a God thing so check it out.
I’ve seen that DVD. Pretty incredible.
I definately thought so. I’d love to buy it.
Sorry about the post mix up. Three of your posts went into the spam folder. When I found them, I approved them to be posted, but they were late.
PL:
http://www.thebibleskeptic.com/contents.html
articles with sources to show it’s not.
That evidence for jesus is just a list of places in the jesus stories that actually existed – that is not proof of there being a jesus at all.
again – Forest Gump – is a fictional movie about a fictional character who interacts with real people who were important in history.
http://www.nazarethmyth.info/ – the evidence shows that Nazareth didn’t exist at the time of the alleged Jesus
Don’t you find it curious that if the bible could be deemed an historical text, that it’s not used as one?
Why do the majority of academic historians and working archeologists not support the claims of accuracy?
okayyyy:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2885
a massive flood in one location is not proof of a flood that covered the entire earth – there’s simply not enough water or anywhere for it to recede to.
also, if your god wanted to wipe out everyone except Noah and his family, then, as an omnipotent being, his express will for this to occur would be all that’s needed.
all early cultures lived along rivers, all rivers flood – flood myths are pretty common – and for people with knowledge of a small area of land – that’s the whole world being referred to – not the entire globe, which was utterly unknown to them
the Institution for Creation research is not an acceptable source on anything science related.
They are not historians, not scientists and they misrepresent at best science concepts and outright lie at worst.
as for: http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html
“We do not grant this idea that the Bible cannot be considered a source of evidence for the existence of Jesus. ”
this line is right up at the top, which means they have no sources other than the bible – and yet – evidence is corroborated
and this is hysterical:
” Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.”
just because they believe it to be true, doesn’t make it true – does the mass suicide at Jonestown make Jim Jones’ claims true?
because if that is the greatest proof, that’s no proof at all.
enjoy:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm
and no jewish slaves in eygpt: (this jan 12, 2010 article is repeated on a number of news websites
)
http://www.vosizneias.com/46682/2010/01/11/egypt-new-find-shows-jewish-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids/
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705357902/New-Egypt-find-indicates-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids.html
enjoy:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://www.maniacworld.com/using-elvis-to-fight-god.html