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The Supreme Court and Obama’s Birth Certificate

November 7, 2008

BREAKING NEWS! APRIL 15, 2010

(April 17 update: Finally… a video, supposedly of Barack Obama at the soccer game, has surfaced. It’s on NECN  –http://www.necn.com/04/17/10/Obama-cheers-on-Malia-at-soccer-game/landing.html?blockID=218221&feedID=4215. The short video is taken from a distance and it’s impossible to tell if it’s Barack Obama and Malia. Interesting thing is there are NO Secret Service officers or any sort of security around him.)

A recent AP story reports that Barack Obama took off Satruday morning — sans reporters, breaking a long-time White House tradition — to “attend his daughter’s soccer game. However, official reports say he left at 9:20 and returned approximately 45 minutes later. The soccer field was a 15-minute ride away, so with 30 minutes of the time taken up by travel, are we to believe BHO was at the game for a mere 15 minutes?

Also, no photographs of BHO at the game have been released (highly unusual). When reports arrived at the field, they were told the President had already left. No reporters saw him at the field.

I’d like to know where all the photographs are. Surely parents, especially the parents of kids on the opposing team who don’t regularly see the President, took pictures with their video cameras and cell phones (remember… we’re talking about a very ritzy private school — the parents have big bucks). So where are they?

There’s also a report that says Obama slipped the Secret Service. Again, no witnesses to Obama actually being at the soccer field.

There’s another point to be made. The day before BHO’s ducking out, a Kenyan official said Obama was born in Kenya! Is it just coincidence that Obama left the White House without any press accompanying him, ostensibly to go to a soccer game, and in order to get there he had to pass by the Kenyan embassy? Maybe the Prez made a quick stop to order Kenyan officials to stop spilling the beans?

Just asking.

BREAKING NEWS! OCTOBER 8, 2009

Judge Confirms Eligibility Trial to Proceed

From Alan Keyes: I just received a call from Orly Taitz, my attorney in the case seeking proof of Obama’s eligibility for the Office of President of the United States. Judge Carter has release a statement declaring that the dates he set for the hearing and trial on the eligibility issue are confirmed, and it will move forward as scheduled. Apparently he was not swayed by the Obama lawyer’s arguments.

BREAKING NEWS! OCTOBER 7, 2009 — We’re waiting to hear from one of the attorneys involved in the case. Please check back periodically, as we’ll post the news as soon as we receive it.

BREAKING NEWS! OCTOBER 5, 2009 No ruling by the Court today. Attorneys expect a ruling to be issued by Wednesday.

BREAKING NEWS! SEPTEMBER 15, 2009 — New Hampshire Secretary of State to investigate election fraud on the part of Barack Obama.

BREAKING NEWS! SEPTEMBER 12, 2009 — Check out THIS STORY on Canada Free press… apparently the DNC has some explaining to do about a possible cover-up of a conspiracy! Great read! Also, from someone who was at the court hearing in California:

I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing today in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.

Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a “kangaroo court” instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).

The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!

The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.

Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!! The truth about Barack Obama’s eligibility will be known fairly soon – Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!

Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon. Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz! She did a great job and won some huge victories today. She was fearless!

BREAKING NEWS! SEPTEMBER 11, 2009 — A hearing is scheduled October 5, 2009, at which Obama’s Department of Justice will try to get the judge to dismiss the case. If unsuccessful, a trial is scheduled for January 26, 2010. This will be the first time a court has looked at the merit of the case, rather than ruling on technicalities.

BREAKING NEWS! JULY 13, 2009 — A source inside the courtroom at Orly Taitz’s hearing today seeking a default judgment against Barack Obama in her case challenging his eligibility to hold the office of president, says that while she did not get the default judgment she sought, the judge refused to dismiss the case as requested by Obama’s lawyers. More information will be posted as available.

BREAKING NEWS! JULY 21, 2009 — Click HERE to read Alan Keyes’ letter, in its entirety, on the need for militias.

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If The Supreme Court Decides…?

At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.

“I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate,” says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. “They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power – even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”

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Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.

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  1. smrstrauss permalink
    November 7, 2008 5:46 pm

    First, the certification of live birth is proof that an actual birth certificate exists in the files. It is like a bank book, which proved that you had money in the bank. You didn’t have to draw your money out of the bank to show it to people.

    A court has now accepted the certification as proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and earlier the State Department did too, when it granted Obama a passport.

    Then Re IF Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of his mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.

    The critics of Obama, who allege that he was born in Kenya, have not shown anything like this. All they would have to do is to go to those files in Kenya and show that Obama’s mother had been in Kenya in 1961. But they have nothing.

    I listened to the tape, and it is not clear that Obama’s grandmother understood the question. The translator (who is also apparently a relative) says repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. In any case, it is not evidence. She could be referring to Barak Obama senior, Obama’s father, who certainly was born in Kenya.

    The officials in Hawaii say he was born in Hawaii. They have seen his birth certificate in his file. Thus they are confirming the document. And they have no reason to lie.

    The certificate (or certification, whatever) of live birth has been accepted as legal proof of Obama’s birth in Hawaii by a court in Virginia. (Monday. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)

    After Berg, several other cases against Obama on the natural born citizen issue were brought in other states.
    While most of them just did what the Berg case did, which was to rule that Berg had no standing to sue, some of the others looked at the “evidence” – and concluded that the stuff was absurd.

    In Ohio, for example the judge (magistrate) said:

    “(Neal) presented no witnesses but himself. From that testimony, it is abundantly clear that the allegations in [Neal]’s complaint concerning “questions” about Senator Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen” are derived from Internet sources, the accuracy of which has not been demonstrated to either Defendant Brunner or this Magistrate … Given the paucity of evidence… this Magistrate cannot conclude that Defendant Brunner has abused her discretion in failing to launch an investigation into Senator Obama’s qualifications to hold the office of President of the United States. ” See:
    http://www.oxfordpress.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/10/31/ws103108obamasuit.html

    In Virginia, which was just ruled on Monday, the judge went further and said that the certificate of live birth was good proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there was NO proof presented that he was born anywhere else.

    Here is a report from a web posting that is not official, of course, but it seems accurate mainly because the fellow who posted it was AGAINST Obama. He is disappointed, but accepts the ruling. You can find this post at : (
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)

    (Note that sometimes the author correctly puts COLB correctly and sometimes he types it as CLOB, but he means certificate of live birth throughout.)

    Quotes:

    The Court made the following findings:

    1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is unquestionably authentic.

    The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.

    2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen.

    The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.

    3. For that reason, 8 U.S.C. §1401(g), which at the relevant time provided as follows:

    “The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ***(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:…..
    is irrelevant to this matter, as Mr. Obama was conclusively born in Hawaii.

    4. Mr. Obama did hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and Kenya until he became an adult. When Barack Obama Jr. was born Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children: “British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.” In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UK. Obama’s UK citizenship became an Kenyan citizenship on Dec. 12, 1963, when Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. The court noted that Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

    1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963…

    2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
    Thus the court held that as a citizen of the UK who was born in Kenya, Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UK status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), thus Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship in 1963.

    However, the court further held that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. The court held that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama has ever renounced his U.S. citizenship or sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.

    The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.

    5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.

    The Court makes other holdings and findings that I won’t bother you with here. Needless to say, the decision is wholly against us. The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

    I like the part about “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort.”

    Repeat: “The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.”

  2. curious reader permalink
    November 7, 2008 9:20 pm

    http://www.obamacrimes.com is NOT showing anything on Justice Souter requiring an original birth certificate to the Supreme Court. If anyone would know, Philip Berg’s own website would. What’s going on here? Are rumors flying around again like horseflies in a barn?

  3. November 8, 2008 12:09 am

    smrstrauss is trying to hide the truth with falsehoods.

    A COLB is not the long form. Obama’s sister Maya, who was born in Jakarta Indonesia was also issued a Hawaiian COLB, sect 7C was available for Foreign Born registered in Hawaii. This info is not available on the short form.
    Don’t believe the Obama lies.

    Also Obama admitted to Dual Citizenship.

    From Obama own website:

    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

    Question?
    How could it expire, if he never had it?

    Dual citizenship IS NOT natural born.

    Although that should be automatic disqualification, it is his adoption and registration as an Indonesian that should be highlighted.

    What passport did he use to travel to Pakastan with his Muslim friends in 1981?

    Pakastan was closed to US travelers in 1981? What passport did he use.

    So his short form means nothing!

  4. sybilll permalink
    November 8, 2008 12:52 am

    TO curious reader. Berg has, for lack of a better word, a spokesperson, posting on his behalf at americasright.com. This update is included there.

  5. November 8, 2008 6:31 am

    Does it matter where he was bornd he is the man of the year

  6. Spectorofdoom permalink
    November 8, 2008 8:55 am

    Read the Freakin CONSTITUTION. Article 2, Section1, Paragraph 5:
    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a citizen of the united states, at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    So in other words, Yes it matters, and it matters a lot.

  7. Colin Laney permalink
    November 8, 2008 10:45 am

    Every move the Supreme Court makes produces a document. All these documents are online in databases such as Westlaw and Lexis. The order mentioned in this Internet rumor doesn’t exist.

    Another B carved in another face.

  8. askmommaobama permalink
    November 8, 2008 11:13 am

    If there is nothing to hide, show the original. It’s that simple. filling a page with words doesn’t make any of them more true.

    His campaign and its minions took illegal contributions, paid for thugs to buy out the vote (aka “street money”), slandered decent people (Palin), detained naysayers (“truth squads”), so why not have skeletons in his closet about his citizenship?
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    Dirty politics – everything old is new again and said with a smile and a coat hanger halo.

  9. Another Reader permalink
    November 8, 2008 12:16 pm

    Colin,

    You are correct about the Supreme Court. There is documentation on the Supreme Court site. A case number etc.

    All anyone has to do is go look at it. Now to most non-attorneys, what is there does not mean much, but that is of no consequence. Judge Souter could have thrown the whole thing out when he denied the stay. But he did not.

    Bottom line this is going to get it’s day in court somehow, some way. If there is nothing to it all, then so be it. I personally believe that he is hiding something. There is no other reason to go such lengths to hide all of his records.

    Let’s just get it out in the open. Don’t we expect better of our leaders? To those Obama supporters, he claims that “Washington is broken”, that he is different. Well, wouldn’t different mean not attempting to conceal all of his records? True leaders do not behave in this way. Spare me all of the comparisons to others. He has run claiming to be DIFFERENT. So I say let’s see the PROOF. Open up the records that have been closed. Squelch the rumors (if that is all they are). True leaders follow thru on their words with the very actions of which they speak. Their actions and words are transparent.

    Personally, I don’t believe you will see him do any of this. His attorneys will show up at all of the still pending cases and argue on technicalities. They will make every attempt to get all of the cases dismissed on grounds other than the merits of each case. You should be asking yourself why.

    Is this what America has devolved into? That we are so blindingly partisan that we no longer expect our leaders to be what they say they are? That we no longer expect the constitution to be upheld? That we will not not seek the truth in the name of winning?

    Bottom line, this will not go away if he manages to evade answering this now. If he is indeed hiding something, someone will find it at a later date and it will be exposed. The truth will be uncovered. Is that what you want to see happen?

  10. Peece a da Pie permalink
    November 8, 2008 12:42 pm

    Obama gonna give everybody all da money dey never worked fo or spected, and he gonna take from all dose mean whuppin slave massers all whut dey stole from da fokes.

    Obama Oyea!

    Give me a break will you? Obama’s mother as screwed up as she was was a citizen and that makes him a citizen too. What is the problem….? Get a life.

    No more meaningless tripe about his ancestry. Or his religion. He said he was Muslim so let it stand there. When he issues some Fatwa’s instead of vetos or executive orders then you will know it is time to go after hisslack jaw’d , skinny. tan beautocks. But foist let’s us see how he makes or breaks his exorbitant promises of free money to the po foke.

  11. GAJ permalink
    November 8, 2008 12:52 pm

    smrstrauss,

    you certainly took a lot of time to cut and paste a bunch of information that draws a false conclusion. A certificate of life birth is not the same nor does it carry the same weight as Vault copy of a birth certificate. So just based upon that the rest of your argument is mute.

    The bigger issue comes down to Obama’s reluctance to produce the official document.. Like everything else in his life it is cloak and dagger. It seems this man has a lot to hide.

    He is all about disinformation and silencing those who oppose him. He has already taken his first move toward implementing the unfairness doctrine.. This guy is dangerous to this country.

  12. Robert permalink
    November 8, 2008 1:15 pm

    I went to the PA DMV last week to get a PA drivers license. I had to show TWO forms of ID. One of them was a birth certificate, which to obtain an OFFICIAL embossed / stamped (vault) I had to write to the state of CA for. I will not be allowed to receive a PA license until I produce my COLB.

    I suppose I need to state the obvious for any Obama supporters who may be actually using logic instead of emotion- If I can’t get a freakin’ drivers license without my birth certificate how come Obama doesn’t have to present his to be POTUS?

  13. Max permalink
    November 8, 2008 2:21 pm

    >>If I can’t get a freakin’ drivers license without my birth certificate how come Obama doesn’t have to present his to be POTUS?<<

    How did HE get his drivers license? .. or his passport?

    You are so funny!!

  14. DUBYA-WE'LL-MISSYA-SOMEDAY permalink
    November 8, 2008 2:42 pm

    From the Supreme Court Website

    No. 08-570
    Title:
    Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
    v.
    Barack Obama, et al.
    Docketed: October 31, 2008
    Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
    Case Nos.: (08-4340)
    Rule 11

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
    Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
    Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
    Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

    ~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
    Attorneys for Petitioner:
    Philip J. Berg 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 (610) 825-3134
    Lafayette Hill, PA 09867
    Party name: Philip J. Berg
    Attorneys for Respondents:
    Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General (202) 514-2217
    United States Department of Justice
    950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
    Washington, DC 20530-0001
    Party name: Federal Election Commission, et al.

  15. gerry permalink
    November 8, 2008 5:01 pm

    Between the years 1961-1986 you needed to be born to 2 parents that were citizens and we all know that Obama didn’t have that.

  16. Inez Watson permalink
    November 8, 2008 5:53 pm

    You should go on you tube and type in obama is an immigrant.Bill Richardson is telling the news media that obama is an immigrant.

  17. Hugh permalink
    November 8, 2008 7:07 pm

    Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

    That’s all there is folks. There’s no “produce by” anything. All this is is a bunch of fluff on the internet and if anyone wants to be taken seriously, it needs to be dropped. It’s just bad manners now.

    Obama is the President-Elect, and you’ll all sleep better just accepting it.

  18. donna permalink
    November 8, 2008 7:45 pm

    wow this is all very interesting. If he is a natural citizen why not just show is birth certificate why make such a hoop la over it
    i had excepted the fact that he was elected to the office (no help from me ) but why is all this paper work not verified before they even run for the office sure would cut down on a lot of bs

  19. marsha permalink
    November 8, 2008 7:48 pm

    Hey Hugh here is a small news FLASH take a guess what the winning lottery #’s were on Nov 5th in the Illinois Lottery. Yes my stupid friend 6-6-6- don’t beleive me just go to the web site http://www.IllinoisLottery.com and LOOK for your self. go to tthe upper left and click numbers/jackpots tab-then click 2008 and look at “Evening Pick 3″ so I guess now is not the best time to be asking for that birth certifacte. Maybe you just elected the Anti-Christ. what do you think now a$$hole.

  20. Another Reader permalink
    November 8, 2008 8:15 pm

    Hugh,

    You should read more carefully. Judge Souter denied the Stay that would have delayed the election. There is a December 1st hearing on the case to address the writ. Not to mention the other suits that have been filed in various places. Another is to be heard in Hawaii on November 18th. It is also quite likely that a number of the electors who cast ballots in the Electoral College are going to either cast in with one of the existing suits or file their own. Until the Electoral College votes, NO ONE IS PRESIDENT.

    So as it turns out, this is serious. And something that could be resolved trivially if he just showed up with the evidence that everyone seems to be sure that he has in his possession. This is a complicated case. A single piece of paper is not going to clear this up. That is also why there is so much confusing and incorrect information being spread around.

    Research is looking for the truth. It is not searching for and finding the first shred of evidence that supports the position that you took on an issue before knowing the facts.

  21. Flymom permalink
    November 8, 2008 8:19 pm

    Hugh, I hate to prove you wrong, but the application denied was that to suspend the Nov 4th elections. The defendants Barack and the DNC ARE to respond by Dec 1, 2008. Here’s the proof:

    Justice Souter’s Clerk has informed Mr. Berg that Mr. Berg’s application for an injunction to stay the November 4th election has been denied. (The U. S. Supreme Court Docket is below.)

    The defendants are required to respond to the Writ of Certiorari by December first, after which Mr. Berg will have an opportunity to respond.

    No. 08-570

    Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
    v.
    Barack Obama, et al.

    Docketed: October 31, 2008
    Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
    Case Nos.: (08-4340)
    Rule 11

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
    Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
    Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
    Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

  22. Flymom permalink
    November 8, 2008 8:21 pm

    AND I REST MY CASE!!!

    PROVIDE THE DOCUMENT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, AS WELL AS ALL YOUR OTHER COLLEGE YEARS INFO YOU ARE HIDING.

  23. Jrdn permalink
    November 9, 2008 1:44 am

    A CerificaTION of Live Birth is not the same as a CertifiCATE of Live Birth.

    Obama has provided a CeritificaTION of Live Birth that is stamped in the lower lefthand corner as “Date FILED with State Registrar.

    This is not to be confused with submitted birth documents received that are deemed valid with “Date ACCEPTED with the State Resistrar” and “Date RECORDED with the State Registrar”.

    Is there a legal and defining difference between CertificaTION”s of Live Birth stamped ‘Date Accepted (or Recorded) by State Registrar’ and ‘Date Filed by State Registrar’???

    Yes, there is.

    It is the difference between filing the paperwork and having it ‘accepted’ and ‘recorded’ by the State as valid.

    Could THIS be what defines Obama as a non-citizen?

    Yes, it could.

    See for yourself …

    http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/documents/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg

    http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

  24. GiveItUp permalink
    November 9, 2008 2:14 am

    Ummm….flymom — all your information shows is that the injunction was denied, but shows no ruling whatsoever on the initial petition for a W of C. Given that the Virginia courts have now accepted BO’s colb as genuine, this is probably not going to have the ‘happy ending’ you so obviously want.

  25. Flymom permalink
    November 9, 2008 2:25 am

    Giveit up, dont be so quick to attack, it clearly says the defendants have to answer by Dec 1. Either way, what I would like to see is for him to present the authentic original copy and get it over with. I f not, he is hiding something. In case you missed it, I think I am not the only one that would like for the leader of this country to be honest and truthful, if that is not the kind of leader you desire then you do not care for the well being of this country.

  26. Seawolf permalink
    November 9, 2008 8:43 am

    This man couldn’t get a minimal security clearance for any federal job with someone like ayres in his background, I know, I had a clearance including nuke weapons access when I was in the Navy, it took a year to get it, they look that closely, thank God.
    I hold a Master’s license from the USCG, before they would issue it I had to show an ORIGINAL birth certificate. Why us and not HIM…something stinks here.

    I hope we get to take a mulligan.

  27. Seawolf permalink
    November 9, 2008 8:45 am

    This man couldn’t get a minimal security clearance for any federal job with someone like ayres in his background, I know, I had a clearance including nuke weapons access when I was in the Navy, it took a year to get it, they look that closely, thank God.
    I hold a Master’s license from the USCG, before they would issue it I had to show an ORIGINAL birth certificate. Why us and not HIM…something stinks here.

    I hope we get to take a mulligan.

  28. GiveItUp permalink
    November 9, 2008 11:37 am

    Actually, a petition for a W of C only means that someone has asked the SC to review a lower court’s ruling. In this case, it most certainly does NOT mean the BO has to provide ANYTHING by Dec 1.

    The U.S. Supreme Court’s certiorari process is covered in Rules 10-16, Rules of the U.S. Supreme Court:

    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/2007rulesofthecourt.pdf

    10. A petition for a writ of certiorari will
    be granted only for compelling reasons.
    a. United States court of appeals has entered a decision
    in conflict with the decision of another United
    States court of appeals on the same important matter;
    has decided an important federal question in a way that
    conflicts with a decision by a state court of last resort;
    or has so far departed from the accepted and usual course of judicial proceedings, or sanctioned such a departure
    by a lower court, as to call for an exercise of
    this Court’s supervisory power;
    (b) a state court of last resort has decided an important
    federal question in a way that conflicts with the
    decision of another state court of last resort or of a
    United States court of appeals;
    (c) a state court or a United States court of appeals
    has decided an important question of federal law that
    has not been, but should be, settled by this Court, or
    has decided an important federal question in a way that
    conflicts with relevant decisions of this Court.
    A petition for a writ of certiorari is rarely granted when the
    asserted error consists of erroneous factual findings or the
    misapplication of a properly stated rule of law.
    11. deals with writs requested BEFORE the lower court has ruled.
    12. All the paperwork that needs to be filed and how.
    13. Time frame in which to file petition.
    14. Reason for the petition and format.
    15. Rules for opposition’s response (not required)
    16. Granting/denying the petition.

    This petition has not been granted, but a decision on whether or not to grant it is due by Dec. 1. Quite honestly, I don’t see how, according to rule 10, this petition meets the ‘compelling reason’ standard.

  29. NYocon permalink
    November 9, 2008 11:40 am

    I have a hypothetical question, IF it is proven that he is NOT eligible to be POTUS, who ends up at 1600 Penn Ave? Is there another election?does Biden get the job??? This whole deal could turn very ugly very quickly (as if the uglieness isnt already at full speed)

  30. GiveItUp permalink
    November 9, 2008 11:57 am

    Oh, and since all the lower courts have pretty much come to the same conclusion (and a Virginia court actually went so far as to rule that the COLB is valid), I sincerely doubt that SCOTUS is going to even hear this case.

    You need a valid LEGAL reason for him to produce the vault copy. So far, his COLB has been deemed valid and proof of citizenship — you need more than ‘coulda/shoulda/woulda’ if you think you need more ‘proof.’ Come up with legally sustainable reason.

  31. Patriot permalink
    November 9, 2008 11:59 am

    Yes, SeaWolf is correct. I too have a security clearance (TS/SCI) and another from the Department of Energy. I spoke with a friend of mine and from what I understand the President-Elect or President does not need a clearance of any type. Only the people who come into contact with him on a regular basis need to obtain a “Yankee White” clearance. If seawolf had ever associated himself with someone like Ayers the United States Navy would have requested an addendum with a detailed description of his relationship and in which case the DoD would have denied his clearance. The real issue here IS WHY NOT PROVIDE YOUR ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE A BIRTH LOG. WE WANT THE REAL DEAL. If President-Elect Obama fails to provide this information he should not be allowed to take the oath. The reason we haven’t seen any proof whatsoever is because the man was not born in this country. I can’t wait to see all of this unfold because we all know he is hiding something from us. BHO -> MARXIST NOBOAMA and you can keep the change.

  32. organicpeas permalink*
    November 9, 2008 12:15 pm

    NYocon asked: “I have a hypothetical question, IF it is proven that he is NOT eligible to be POTUS, who ends up at 1600 Penn Ave? Is there another election?does Biden get the job??? This whole deal could turn very ugly very quickly (as if the uglieness isnt already at full speed)”

    I believe that up until the Electoral College meets on dec. 15, anything can happen. The Electors can vote for McCain, they can vote for Biden, it’s open at that point. Traditionally, the Electors vote for whomever they have been pledged to but nothing in the Constitution forces them to do so.

    If Obama/Biden is elected by the Electoral College, THEN this mess is sorted out, Biden assumes the presidency.

  33. organicpeas permalink*
    November 9, 2008 12:19 pm

    Patriot: Consider this… if Obama refuses to present his birth certificate despite compelling evidence that shows he is not a natural born citizen, he becomes a usurper to the presidency. Merely occupying the White House does not constitutionally confer the powers of the office on that person.

    In other words, Obama can live at the White House, issues directives, even give orders to the army, but as a usurper, not one of those is valid. Plus, every law passed by Congress while Obama sits in the White House is null and void since the Constitution clearly says all laws passed by Congress MUST go to the President. As a usurper, Obama would not be president. He would be constitutionally prohibited from being president.

    All this is contingent, of course, on his being born in Kenya (which I believe is the case).

  34. GiveItUp permalink
    November 9, 2008 12:28 pm

    Remember this, folks: THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO/NONE/NADA/ZIP EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA WAS BORN ANYWHERE BUT HAWAII. This bird won’t fly without some sort of legal evidence that he was born somewhere else. There is no evidence his mother ever went to Kenya (some old woman speaking through a translator that ‘he is a child of this village’ is NOT legal ‘proof’). There is NO EVIDENCE. Find some.

  35. justathought permalink
    November 9, 2008 1:38 pm

    I voted for McCain and have no idea where Obama was born. That in itself seems to be the problem.

    Neverheless. it’s my prediction that it won’t matter. Let’s say it’s proven that he was born in Kenya and his mother didn’t meet the requirements to make him a natural born citizen. Does anyone believe that he will just resign? No, he will fight this probably for years all the way to the Supreme Court, which by then will probably have the liberal votes he needs. Remember, these wil be the votes of justices who believe in a “living” Constitution. It’s my prediction that they will rule that the requirement for a President to be a natural born citizen is anachronistic and only applied to the people living at the time it was ratified, thus throwng the entire suit out as a moot point. I think they will be wrong, but that never stopped liberal judges before.

    Remember…you heard this prediction here first and I want full credit for it. :-p

     

  36. organicpeas permalink*
    November 9, 2008 1:42 pm

    And it will mean the death of the Constitution.

  37. Another Reader permalink
    November 9, 2008 4:57 pm

    Obama’s Natural Born Citizenship status is a very complicated case. There will many pieces of information to be weighed in this case.

    Let’s just wait until we see the results of the actual cases. There will be new evidence presented, as both sides are now preparing their cases. The laws that concern this case are complex, and there are not any Constitutional Lawyers posting on this subject at the moment. (And even if there were, they do not have access to the actual evidence and arguments that will be presented in the upcoming cases) Don’t forget that the case in front of the Supreme Court is just one of several. Any one of them could end up bringing new information to light on this topic.

    All I am interested in is seeing the truth. The truth is not a partisan subject. (At least it shouldn’t be). To be honest if something does come of this it will be a sad day for the U.S. in a lot of ways.

  38. November 9, 2008 5:15 pm

    I do not get how “dual citizenship” rules outl “natural born.” There are thousands of US citizens who were born in the US to one US citizen parent and one non-US citizen parent. They are full US citizens with no questions asked, natural born in every way, though they may also hold citizenship in another country.

    There are also thousands of US citizens who were born in foreign countries to either 2 US parents or 1 US parent and 1 foreign parent. They also have full US citizenship, but aren’t considered “natural born.” However, their dual citizenship does not affect their US citizenship AT ALL (unless their other country goes to war with the US).

    However, there has never been a legal case defining “natural born,” so if they need to make a legal definition now, the Supreme Court would have the latitude to make whatever definition they like, without abusing the Constitution. We were all taught that it meant “born in the US,” but that was never, ever, legally defined. They would almost certainly rule that it means that the child must be a US citizen when born. Hence, 1 parent with US citizenship, wherever the child was born, would be legally defined as being what was meant.

  39. GiveItUp permalink
    November 9, 2008 5:28 pm

    It is NOT complicated. All available evidence states he was born in Hawaii – there is absolutely NO credible evidence that he was born anywhere else. Simple.

  40. Another Reader permalink
    November 9, 2008 5:48 pm

    Giveitup,

    Let’s get this straight. You don’t know what evidence will be presented. You don’t know what evidence exists. You don’t really know anything. You have absolutely NO IDEA what will be presented. You DON’T know what available evidence exists because it has not been presented in court.

    The very fact that you state it “is not complicated” says that you know nothing about Natural Born Citizenship status and the applicable laws.

    Again, until the ACTUAL court cases clear the system, not you or anyone else will know.

  41. GiveItUp permalink
    November 9, 2008 9:00 pm

    Another Reader….the ONLY thing a W of C is for is for SCOTUS to review the lower court’s decision. BO and the DNC MAY present a response to the request for a W of C, if they WISH, but it is not REQUIRED. (see Rules of the SC) They have until Dec 1 to provide a response to the petition for the writ, but that is not the same as providing ‘evidence’ for a trial.

    And, as far as a ‘case’ goes – yes, it IS simple. Either:
    1. He has proof that his birth was in Hawaii that is valid – ergo, he is a ‘natural born citizen’

    or

    2. He does NOT have proof of a valid Hawaiin birth – ergo, he is not eligible to be POTUS.

    Now as far as the W o C goes, SCOTUS has to operate within a certain framework. They are NOT ‘retrying’ the case – they are REVIEWING the lower court’s decision. They MAY reverse it or nullify it IF:
    1. The ruling in the court of appeals contradicts another ruling in a comparable court on the SAME issue (so far, this is not the case — ALL the lower courts have made comparable rulings)
    2. It has decided an important federal question in a way that
    conflicts with a decision by a state court of last resort. (Again, nope, doesn’t meet that criteria, either)
    3. It has so far departed from the accepted and usual course of judicial proceedings, or sanctioned such a departure by a lower court, as to call for an exercise of
    this Court’s supervisory power. (Not so far – Berg just didn’t like the answer he got in the lower court…all lower courts have agreed so far)

    A petition for a writ of certiorari is rarely granted when the
    asserted error consists of erroneous factual findings or the
    misapplication of a properly stated rule of law. – Meaning that SCOTUS is going to take things AS THEY STAND for the most part. They are not going to do a ‘discovery’ phase.

    Once, again, on the face of it, this case does not meet the primary criteria for granting a W of C. I don’t expect anything to come of it.

  42. Steve W permalink
    November 9, 2008 9:07 pm

    How the hell did he get this far??????

  43. POTUS permalink
    November 9, 2008 9:23 pm

    Excellent work here. This is a critical issue undermining the potential of an individual to be POTUS after having won an election. How we could get this far without this issue being resolved is of great concern and should not be left unstudied. The Obama refusal to show original copies has put in doubt in this forum the legitimacy of his future presidency. It is good that the critics of Obama invest their energy, time, effort and money on this issue. It is brilliant of Obama to hint at this issue and delay the release of this data. What better way to paint the image of his detractors and derail them down some dead-end alley with so little effort on his part. Cunning and brilliant.

  44. November 9, 2008 10:04 pm

    MAY I JUST REMIND A FEW OF YOU THAT THE ISSUE OF HIS mothers ELIGIBILITY IS ALSO IN QUESTION HERE.
    THE LAW REQURES THAT SHE BE A CITIZEN FOR 10 YEARS 5 OF WHICH MUST BE BEYOND AGE 14
    SHE WAS ONLY 18 WHEN GIVING BIRTH THUS ONE YEAR SHY OF A ‘ NATURAL BORN SON’ THUS NOT MAKING HIM A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. THE JUDGES HAVE TO EXAMIN ALL THESE ISSUES AS WELL.
    THIS WAS THE LAW IN 1961, SOME OF IT HAS BEEN CHANGED NOW.

    ALSO THERE IS THE UPCOMMING PROBLEM WITH THE LOGAN ACT THAT BHO HAS COME AFOUL OF.
    THERE IS GROWING EVEDENCE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE ELECTION BID OF HIS FIRST COUSIN, RAILA ODINGA IN KENYA.
    YOU MAY WHANT TO START EXPENDING SOME TIME INTO RESEARCHING THIS ISSUE. READ THE ACT FIRST.

    BY THE WAY DID ANYBODY FIND A DEATH NOTICE OR FUNERAL DATE FOR GRANNY?

    THE BEAT GOES ON , THE USERPER MUST NOT PREVAIL.

    RAS

  45. GiveItUp permalink
    November 9, 2008 10:26 pm

    Richard, that requirement is only for children born OUTSIDE the US – unless you’ve got some legal, definitive proof he was born anywhere else?

    As for the rest of your rant, it does not merit response.

  46. Worried permalink
    November 10, 2008 1:45 am

    No, not again! After going through the Watergate, Lewinsky, and Iran-Contra Affair scandals (not to mention all of the others) you would think that a President or President-elect would take the necessary steps required to stop all of this if he could. Each time it erodes the sanctity of the office. President-elect Obama should simply release the information asked for once-and-for-all quelling this new threat to his office.
    Let’s say he really was born in Hawaii, if he refuses to offer up the documentation asked for, he will always have this conspiracy theory undermining him dragging down his popularity the more people get snookered in by it.
    Even worse would be if he wasn’t born in Hawaii, and if the allegations were all true, but both the electoral college and the Supreme Court let it go unchallenged. All three levels of our government being tied up in a cover-up of this magnitude would result in dire consequences for our nation.
    Men from both parties have been tied to scandals in the past, so this is a non-partisan issue. What it is, is an issue of trust. Many Americans have lost that trust in their elected officials by these past scandals whether true or not. If Obama chooses to withhold his birth certificate (born in Hawaii or not) and if it goes unchallenged by the other two branches of government then he challenges renewed mistrust by feeding this conspiracy theory. With every mistake he makes (small or large), with every broken promise (deliberate or circumstantial), with every faltering of our economy to recover (despite his best efforts), the conspiracy theorists will point to this issue and undermine him. Whether Hawaiian born or not, not releasing the certificate will be harmful.
    Only by releasing it, will all three branches be protected from what may be a real or unreal threat. For now, the ball is in Obama’s court. He should not wait until the ball is on the other side of the Court.

  47. Don L permalink
    November 10, 2008 9:08 am

    “Is this what America has devolved into? That we are so blindingly partisan that we no longer expect our leaders to be what they say they are? That we no longer expect the constitution to be upheld? That we will not not seek the truth in the name of winning? ”

    Naive grade school level thinking. They have trashed the constitution with impunity – Roe V.Wade -Thurgood Marshall remedy unfairness throught the court -S. D. O Connor (foreign law) all (Kelo) The document is not good anymore because it gives the false allusion of standards and structure that protect us while the left is stealing and dismantling the country before our eyes. The 10th amendment is laughable -power goes to those who take it -they are unopposed in their boldness and successful and will not stop until America is done for. Good people are their tools -lies and envy and greed are their weapons andpropagand is their process – rebuilding the GOP to stop it is like throwing a jelly bean at a charging grizzly -not much hope there folks. Try prayer and following God – it works even better than trusting in men!

  48. white power permalink
    November 10, 2008 1:58 pm

    When osama bin obama gets in the white house, watch out america. Known terrorists will be welcomed in this country and whitey will no longer have any rights.

  49. Obamanotworthy permalink
    November 10, 2008 7:32 pm

    The certificate of live birth is not issued as proof that an official birth certificate exists. It can and is also issued if a childs birth was registered yet no official birth certificate can be found on file. Making it completely possible in the early 60s to register the birth of a child without a certificate. This is the ussue at hand.
    It is believed that Obama’s mother flew him to Hawaii from Kenya after his birth and registered his birth there in order to attempt to give him citizenship. She was a minor at the time and too young to transfer citizenship to him.
    The official birth certificate would have been signed by people present at his birth. None exists that Obama can provide. A certification of live birth is NOT proof that he was born in Hawaii. It is simply proof that a child’s birth was registered after the fact. It is also not proof of a child’s eligibility for citizenship.

    You could give birth to a child in your living room, wait a week, take him to a hospital and obtain a certificate of live birth. The hospital would NOT grant you a birth certificate ad-hoc just because you showed up with a baby and said it was born there. This is what happened to Obama’s mother.

  50. Morry permalink
    November 10, 2008 7:58 pm

    The truth of the matter is that Barack Obama will never be able to produce a valid birth certificate because he was not actually born. It turns out that those who have described him as some kind of supernatural being or messiah (or whatever) are absolutely right — the proof that Obama can’t possibly be of human flesh consists in the simple fact that anyone with even half a brain can see right through him!!!

  51. JANET MITCHELL permalink
    November 11, 2008 3:23 am

    GET OFF IT PEOPLE. WHO’S THIS BERG GUY ANYWAY & WHAT & WHAT IS HE TRYING TO PROVE. LEAVE OBAMA ALONE.YOU ALL WON’T EVEN GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO THE JOB HE WAS ELECTED TO DO. YOU ALL JUST WANNA CAUSE TROUBLE & THIS COUNTRY ALREADY HAS ENOUGH PROBLEMS THANKS TO BUSH. HE BERG GO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO OCCUPY YOUR MIND & TIME AS WE DON’T NEED YOU.

  52. November 11, 2008 11:55 am

    “…but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.”

    I do not believe this is the legally correct chain of events that will now play out pursuant to the Writ of Certiorari granted by SCOTUS Justice Souter.

    The truth of the matter as I have now come to understand it is that the Writ of Certiorari is a binding legal directive to Judge Surrick. This directive requires that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Judge Surrick, who presides over the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, must respond to the Writ by providing to SCOTUS Justice Souter all documents and court proceedings in the case of Berg v. Obama.

    Then the legal crux of the matter shifts to what Obama (et al.) actually filed in Judge Surrick’s court. That filing was nothing more than a motion to dismiss on the grounds of Phil Berg’s “lack of standing” to file the initial lawsuit. No information countering Berg’s allegations or challenges to Obama’s status as a natural born citizen were addressed by the Obama filing. Zippo. Nada. None.

    Judge Surrick agreed with the Obama motion and dismissed the case due to Berg’s “lack of standing.”

    In his review of Judge Surrick’s court proceedings and documents Justice Souter is absolutely certain to see the specific challenge to Obama’s eligibilty to be POTUS pursuant to the Constitutional requirement and subsequently might then, and only then, issue an order for Obama (et al.) to submit docmentation proving his natural born citizenship status to Judge Surrick, or to provide the docuentation directly to the SCOTUS.

  53. cheeflo permalink
    November 11, 2008 5:29 pm

    If it emerges that Obama’s citizenship status disqualifies him from the presidency, then that means he and his minions, including the entire Democratic Party, have defrauded the citizens of the United States. That could not be construed as an oversight. That could only be interpreted as deliberate subversion of the U.S. Constitution and federal law.

    It’s a simple matter to furnish the legal evidence to establish Obama’s eligibility. Why is that such a problem for Obama?

  54. GiveItUp permalink
    November 11, 2008 6:18 pm

    He has provided legal evidence of eligibility – if you choose not to believe that it is legal evidence of eligibility…well, apparently Hawaii, Virginia, and a few other state courts disagree with you.

  55. Sleepy Head permalink
    November 11, 2008 10:20 pm

    McCain was born in Panama.

  56. Pat permalink
    November 11, 2008 11:55 pm

    McCain may have been born in Panama but he was born on a Naval Base and he had two parents who were American citizens. My daughters were also born in Panama. In addition to their birth certificates from Panama they have a certificate from the U.S. that they are “US Citizen Born Abroad”. They also had to go through INS to enter the United States. They have dual citizenship.

  57. November 11, 2008 11:56 pm

    If Obama does not have a legitimate U.S. birth certificate, will the Court decertify the election? For the sake of the U.S. and the world, the Court MUST do so.

    It’s a hope! Otherwise, the nightmare of Marxism will spread to the U.S. like it has spread from Cuba to Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador…! When informed Latin Americans realized that Barack Obama’s “Christian” Church was based on Black Liberation Theology (Marxism), they began to worry. Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Rafael Correa all pretend to be Christian, but profess “Liberation Theology” (Marxism) instead.

    Latin Americans noticed that Obama’s campaign strategies were almost identical to those of Chavez, Morales and Correa. And George Soros was supporting Obama!

    However, most Latin Americans could not imagine that North Americans could be fooled as the poorest and most ignorant people in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador had been fooled. Tito the Builder (from Colombia), for example, believed that “Americans were very smart” and would realize that Obama is a North American Chavez. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3NjmbkJBY8

    However, those Latin Americans were wrong. They were not keeping in mind that perhaps Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov was right when he warned that, through media manipulation, Americans would be brainwashed and would allow their country to be taken over by Marxists: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

    On November 4, 2008, tragedy struck the U.S. and the Free World. North Americans were fooled just like the poorest and most ignorant Venezuelans, Bolivians and Ecuadorians. Through lies, manipulation, fraud and a bribed or corrupt media, a Marxist president was elected in the U.S.

    A speck of hope… Barack Obama may not have a legitimate U.S. birth certificate. If Obama does not have a legitimate U.S. birth certificate, the Court MUST decertify the election.

  58. November 12, 2008 12:04 am

    Worried, the cover-up is HUGE. We must not pretend that everything is normal and clean. The enemies of the U.S. are using the Democrats and Obama to destroy the U.S. For our sake and the sake our children and the world, we must do everything in our power to defend the the U.S. and its basic democracy and principles.

  59. Mike H. permalink
    November 12, 2008 5:20 am

    For all of you folks who are trying to talk the problem down, consider the loss of trust that you’re generating. You’re screaming be quiet, be quiet while trying to ignore Constitutional matters. Unless you have a good alternative to the document that you can sell to the rest of the country you had better consider what the resultant outcome might be.

  60. November 12, 2008 12:33 pm

    I am surprised at all the people that are supporting Obama’s right to seal all of his records. Or to those that are stating go to Kenya and get the records. Kenya sealed Obama’s records and deported someone trying to access them. Hawaii also sealed his records and stated they do hold the original birth, but to date the senator has not requested this document. Occidental, Columbia and Harvard have all sealed his records all transcripts, writings, etc.

    I would think that as a supporter you would like to know who this man is. I was intrigued by him in the beginning and then did my research. Wake up people our Constitution requires that our President be a natural born citizen. It is not that difficult to prove. Why would he refuse to prove it – doesn’t that make you wonder. I’d show my documents – he seals his. hmmmmm……. Oh right, he deserves to be president so just leave him alone – you people are mean – get over it.

    I am too patriotic to get over it and I refuse to accept him as President if he does not unseal all records – PERIOD!

  61. LordXenophon permalink
    November 12, 2008 1:17 pm

    Max, on November 8th, 2008 at 2:21 pm Said:
    >>If I can’t get a freakin’ drivers license without my birth certificate how come Obama doesn’t have to present his to be POTUS?<<

    How did HE get his drivers license? .. or his passport?

    You are so funny!!

    I got my drivers license without my birth certifiate. Arizona just required two forms of ID. They accepted my high school ID and a notorized affidavit from my mother. It was really that easy back then.

  62. Pat permalink
    November 12, 2008 3:47 pm

    LordXenophon – it sounds like you are very young. When you are an adult it is much harder to get a drivers license. You need two forms of identification–a birth certificate, a social security card, or a state ID with your picture. Believe me, I just went through this with my brother. He lost his birth certificate. He doesn’t has a driver’s license. He lost his social security card. His State ID was expired. He was in a catch 22. In order to get his birth certificate he needed his S.S. card and picture ID. In order to get his State ID he needed his SS card and birth certificate. In order to get his SS card he needed his birth certificate and drivers license/state ID. It was crazy, and each state may have different laws. This thing with Obama is a big cover up and I don’t understand why our government is letting him get away with this.

  63. November 12, 2008 11:21 pm

    You stupid republicans are so shameless. When you lose the game, you wanna change the rules. Now that the people defied you by a landslide, you try to spead rumors and hang on to your dreams that court chagnes the will of the poeple. Do not waste your time here, go and rebuild your party, instead.

  64. November 13, 2008 12:59 am

    You stupid Democrats are so shameless. When you lose the game, you wanna change the rules. Now that the people defied you by a landslide, you try to spread rumors and hang on to your dreams that court changes the will of the people. Do not waste your time here, go and rebuild your party, instead.

    I agree,Democrats are stupid they have failed to remember the last 8 years..

    Now you goat ropers elect a Socialist/Marxist and try to pass him off as a mainstream American–that’s a laugh..

    The Silver Tongue devil from Chicago has hoodwinked you and this will all come out in the next few months

  65. posinator permalink
    November 13, 2008 2:21 pm

    If Obama was born in 1961 then the ONLY thing we know for sure is that he WASN’T born in Kenya, as Kenya only became independent in 1963/64.

  66. Pat permalink
    November 13, 2008 2:43 pm

    Kenya got their independence from the United Kingdom on 12/12/63. So if he was born under United Kingdom rule, is he really British?

  67. organicpeas permalink*
    November 13, 2008 3:33 pm

    a said: “Now that the people defied you by a landslide, you try to spead rumors and hang on to your dreams that court chagnes the will of the poeple.”

    First of all, while it was an electoral landslide, the popular vote was close, 52 -47. Not a landslide, not a mandate.

    Second, the “court changing the will of the people” comment is laughable. In California several years ago, some 66% of the people voted to ban same-sex marriage. The homosexuals used the courts to overturn the will of the people (and that 66% vote was much higher than Obama’s vote). Now the people have voted again to ban same-sex marriage, but the radical homosexuals are busy trying to get the courts to AGAIN overturn the will of the people (that’s when they’re not busy vandalizing churches and attacking little old ladies).

    So, a, do you condemn the homosexuals for using the courts to overturn the will of the people, or is your anger a one way street?

  68. Leilani permalink
    November 13, 2008 9:40 pm

    I suspect that Kenya doesn’t have the greatest of records – when some villages in Africans barely have running water. So what it is to say that there is no proof he was born somewhere else. How easy it would be to destroy those records – as well.

    Obviously, in this country we have a huge amount of identity theft. Why would anyone think his mother and grandmother did not engage in a little tweaking of documents just to make THEIR lives easier? They were apparently Marxists.

  69. Leilani permalink
    November 13, 2008 9:46 pm

    For that matter, even his Hawaii birth certificate could be a fake – I would like to hear more about how the rumors got started. I heard his sister also said he was born in Kenya, but I don’t know if it is true.

  70. November 14, 2008 9:08 am

    I believe it was Philip Berg that stated no records exist of his mother’s stay in any Hawaii hospital, suggesting she may have given birth elsewhere and filed the registration shortly thereafter on American soil.

  71. Tom from Florida permalink
    November 14, 2008 4:51 pm

    Everyone that keeps saying “THERE IS NO EVIDENCE” is not thinking clearly, or just following Presiden-elect Obama blindling. Of course there is not evidence, BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO RELEASE IT.
    I would ask you all this question. If a company you interviewed for, and received a letter saying you have the job, requested proof that you can legally work in the U.S. and you refused to provide what they asked for would you get the job?

  72. November 14, 2008 8:34 pm

    Nope they would give you walking papers. Isn’t this just unbelievable. I can’t express how disappointed I am in our government. The words in my head just can not be put in a forum.

  73. George permalink
    November 14, 2008 11:18 pm

    The true question is what type person is Obama?
    Is he black, is he white, is he African American?
    My thought is he is a half -breed American. Half white, half black. This is true, because my Grandfather was a half-breed, half white and half American Indian. Most people that are black call themselves African American, but they are not unless they were born in Africa. Being black does not make you African American. Now to the question is Obama an American by birth, the truth has not been proven yet.

  74. geo permalink
    November 15, 2008 7:14 am

    give it up ….why don’t you quit being so emotional and use a little logic. If we are lucky everyone will get justice. If he is not American born then he should not be POTUS. It’s really pretty simple but of course who needs logic when you have passion for him to be POTUS… WHY? JUST JUST BECAUSE!!!!!!! LOL

  75. GiveItUp permalink
    November 15, 2008 11:45 am

    Um….what emotion? I agree, if he’s not a ‘natural born’ American, then he doesn’t qualify to be POTUS. However, there is absolutely no proof that he is anything OTHER than a natural born US citizen. That, my friend is logic.

    It is not ‘logical’ to assume that BO is somehow involved in a conspiracy that involves not only the complicity of entire COUNTRIES (Indonesia, Kenya, and the US), but of several US state entities (Hawaiin Dept of Vital Stats, Bar Review, US federal government, judges in several states – and all their clerks, filers, etc).

    FTR, most US presidents had nothing more than a name recorded in a family Bible stating where/when they were born. Legal birth certificates are a 20th Century innovation.

  76. Ted permalink
    November 15, 2008 12:31 pm

    Unavoidable scenario: If SCOTUS disqualifies Obama BEFORE 1/20/09 inauguration, McCain is POTUS per remaining electoral college electors; if SCOTUS disqualifies Obama after 1/20/09 inauguration, Hillary likely becomes POTUS per vote of Dem controlled House of Rep. Either way, is clear Obama will NOT be or remain POTUS.

  77. GiveItUp permalink
    November 15, 2008 12:55 pm

    Ted, I think you are misunderstanding….SCOTUS is NOT ruling on the birth certificate in Berg’s appeal OR in Keye’s. In Berg’s it is ruling on the lower court’s ruling that Berg lacks ‘standing.’ And that’s only if it decides to accept the case. My guess is that they won’t. Either way, they only use documentation from the lower court – there is no ‘discovery’ phase in this type of hearing. In Keye’s, his basic premises are insupportable (lower court ruling) and SCOTUS will be addressing the lower court ruling.

    You are relying on the unlikely to prevent the inevitable. Not exactly a great example of logical thinking.

  78. Pat permalink
    November 15, 2008 2:10 pm

    I tried to copy the link below and it didn’t work. Hope you can find it under Worldnetdaily. It’s an article regarding Obama’s birth certificate.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=80931

  79. Another Reader permalink
    November 15, 2008 3:00 pm

    Alan Keyes, an Independent presidential candiate who was on the 2008 ballot of several states has now filed suit in the state of California. It will be hard for them to say he does not have standing. There is a school of thought out there that believed it would take a Presidential Candidate to file in order to get to the bottom of this. So now we have it. This is just another in a long list of new lawsuits that have filed.

    It will also be hard for anyone to cry racist as he just happens to be Black. (Not that this should matter in even the least little bit, but there are those who are going to bring this up no matter what.)

  80. Not one for a handout permalink
    November 15, 2008 9:40 pm

    I think that if Obama can not or will not present a clear certificate of Birth he should be removed.
    By force if nessessary!
    And there needs to be a call to arms because his goons will be out to surpress the truth.

  81. derocool permalink
    November 16, 2008 7:59 am

    For a complete kook, this berg guy is actually kind of a genius. His lawsuit can’t stand up in court. It will be automatically dismissed… but the dismissal only serves to fuel stupid speculation.

    Even keyes suit will be dismissed because the claims aren’t compelling. how did the petitioners find out about these things… they read it on the internet. That’s not how you form a real lawsuit.

    But like i said, it’s guaranteed to get dismissed, and people that know nothing about the law will just come up with some conspiracy theories to back their BS.

  82. Another Reader permalink
    November 16, 2008 2:53 pm

    derocool,

    How or why is it “guarenteed” to be dismissed?

    To take up another issue that keeps being raised, that nothing on the Internet is evidence, I suggest you consider a couple of things.

    One, Mr. Obama himself seems to believe items found on the Internet should be considered as evidence. He placed a altered version of a Certificate on “the Internet” and expects everyone to accept this as evidence. He and and his followers constantly point to items found on the Internet as “evidence”. They also seem to believe that Internet Sites such as Snopes and other similar sites are the good enough to verify evidence as fact. So, it can’t be both ways. It’s not evidence when it works in your favor, and not, when it doesn’t.

    Secondly, you don’t know much about the field of Computer Forensics. Computer Forensics produces evidence that is used in Courts all over the land. In fact, one of the biggest topics in Information Tech, is the intersection of the Law and I.T. So the mere suggestion that anything found on the Internet is completely invalid is, in a word, ridiculous.

  83. GiveItUp permalink
    November 16, 2008 6:20 pm

    Another Reader – What would you have Obama do? Oder a certified copy of the long for BC and snail mail it to every man and woman in the US? How else would you like to ‘see’ this? Why could vouch for it that you would believe?

    As for why the cases will be dismissed –
    All Berg’s case is going to be heard for is a review of the lower court’s decision to dismiss based on ‘standing’. If SCOTUS decides to hear the case (they haven’t even decided to hear it yet), they are probably going to side with the state court of appeals.
    Keye’s case rests on the assumption the Obama wasn’t born in the US and he has absolutely no legally credible evidence that such is the case.

    At this point, even if the COLB comes into question, all a legal defense needs to say is “the Hawaiin government says its valid and the Virginian courts say it’s valid.” There is no legally credible proof that it isn’t valid, and there are signed affidavits that it IS valid.

    Again – WHO could vouch for his Natural Born status that you would believe? Even IF he released a long form bc, most of you would scream that it was a fake, trumped up/created by Obama and/or the State of Hawaii. So, in simple words, with no qualifications, what would it take for you to believe that Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii?

  84. Another Reader permalink
    November 16, 2008 9:02 pm

    I want to see the Long Version of the certificate (if it exists) released for public scrutiny. The state courts that ruled, Virginia being one of them, ruled with incomplete evidence. As I have stated before and you in particular denied, that this is a complicated case. It involves more than a piece of paper. There are many questionable incidents, most of them confirmed in his own book, that merit his status being defined. One of them is how did he travel to Pakistan in 81? How did he attend an Indonesian school? When according their law they only accepted Indonesian citizens. These are all things that would lead a reasonable person to verify that he does indeed meet the requirements. These same sort of questions were asked of McCain in 2000 (By Democrats) He provided all necessary documentation to Congress. They then certified that he was in fact a citizen.

    For me, a Federal Court, not a State Court needs to clarify his citizenship status. And in the end, I want to see the Supreme Court make a ruling that will prevent this sort of thing from ever being an issue again. That any candidate that gets as far as being on a ballot, has had this status confirmed. We should NEVER again get to this point where this can even be a question.

    If a Court orders the release of ALL of his birth records from the State of Hawaii, and these records along with all other evidence concerning his status is ruled on in a Federal Court and they deem him to be qualified, I will be satisfied.

    What I would most like to see is this. Obama, since he is seeking a position of leadership and power, for him to resolve this himself. Produce the long form himself without being compelled to do so by a Court. Produce reasonable and verifiable evidence that speaks to all of these things that look very questionable to anyone who is paying attention. Posting the short form on the Internet does not qualify since it does not answer any of the other questions.

    Leaders step up and put things like this to rest. They don’t run and hide from them. He should see and recognize that there are perfectly reasonable people who find all of these things to be questionable. I personally have used direct sources where and when possible to confirm as much as I could . This is not a partisan issue for me. This is about following the constitution, being a country of laws and not doing things in a way that look very questionable to a great number of people. I have seen legal arguments that suggest that he doesn’t have to do this. And maybe, by the letter of the law he didn’t. But this is not the letter of the law that we are talking about here. We are talking about him putting to rest a lingering question that many people in this country want to see answered in a way that doesn’t look like the newly appointed leader isn’t hiding something or worse. It’s about behaving as a leader.

    This is absolutely a partisan issue for many, it’s about winning and losing with little regard about doing what is right. You can see this everywhere you look, both sides arguing without a thought of actually addressing the facts. Or for that matter even having a clue about the things of which they are arguing. I am not one of those people.

  85. GiveItUp permalink
    November 17, 2008 12:08 pm

    1.I want to see the Long Version of the certificate (if it exists) released for public scrutiny.

    Why? If it was scanned in and posted on the internet for all to see, there would undoubtedly be the same people screaming ‘it’s a fake!’ ‘He made it in Photoshop!’ Just exactly how do YOU want to see it? By the way, McCain never publicly released his birth certificate — the FOI act made it available because of a court case re: HIS eligibility to be POTUS. By the way, Congress has to pass a non-binding resolution declaring him eligible, since he was born in Colon Hospital and NOT on base (Colon was NEVER part of the Zone).

    WHAT FORM would be acceptable for YOU and every other conspiracy theorist to exam this document? Scanned? JPEG has compression issues and while TIFF and RAW are better, nothing is going to be the original. Should he just order one of those and send it to every household? Even with that in hand, how many will still insist it’s a fake?

    2.The state courts that ruled, Virginia being one of them, ruled with incomplete evidence.

    Actually, what they ruled was that internet rumors were not admissible evidence. Of course, if there was actual evidence of these rumors, then that information could have been submitted as ‘fact’ and admitted as evidence.

    3.One of them is how did he travel to Pakistan in 81?

    Travel to Pakistan was not prohibited – contrary to ‘rumor’.
    And even if he had a non-US passport, it doesn’t mean he renounced his US citizenship.

    4. How did he attend an Indonesian school? When according their law they only accepted Indonesian citizens.

    Dual citizenship – recognized by the US? (US recognition of dual citizenship is in no way dependent upon the other country’s mutual recognition of that citizenship status)

    5. These are all things that would lead a reasonable person to verify that he does indeed meet the requirements. These same sort of questions were asked of McCain in 2000 (By Democrats) He provided all necessary documentation to Congress. They then certified that he was in fact a citizen.

    They did not ‘certify’ that he was a citizen – they ‘declared’ him a citizen qualified to run for POTUS. In fact, part of their conclusions rests on ‘faulty’ information:
    Whereas John Sidney McCain , III, was born to American citizens ON AN AMERICAN MILITARY BASE in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain , III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

    Note the capitalized section. Now, see McCain’s bc – http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/download/file.php?id=159&sid=1af1600512b91b18856ae798ff1ed449 He was born at Colon Hospital – NOT on base, and NOT under US jurisdiction. The only thing going for him is 2 American parents. I would respectfully suggest that, if BO’s loyalties are ‘divided’ because his was born IN the US with 1 foreign parent and lived in another foreign country as a child, that perhaps McCain’s loyalties are equally divided from birth in a foreign country and living there.

  86. Another Reader permalink
    November 17, 2008 12:44 pm

    Giveitup,

    My post was not a suggestion or plea for you to clear it up. There is no point to these messages anymore. Let’s just wait for all of the court cases to clear.

  87. GiveItUp permalink
    November 17, 2008 1:03 pm

    If Obama had Congress declare him eligible by a non-binding resolution, would that be sufficient?

  88. Pat permalink
    November 17, 2008 2:32 pm

    Giveitup — are you kidding me? John McCain had two parents who are/were US citizens. It doesn’t matter if he was born on the base or not. Besides, the Naval Base in Panama did not have a hospital, and Gorgas Army Hospital was not located on a base, but rather in the Canal Zone. My children were born in Panama at Hospital Paitilla, located in Panama City. Are you saying all the military children who were born in Panama while their parent(s) were stationed there are not legal U.S. citizens? If that is your argument you have a lot of people to contact to fill them in on this news.

  89. GiveItUp permalink
    November 17, 2008 3:00 pm

    According to the Courts it DOES matter – at least one ruled that McCain was NOT ‘natural born’. Congress had to step in and say “Oh yes he is!” He would not be a ‘natural born’ citizen – just a citizen. SCOTUS has never addressed the ‘natural born’ issue before. I never said he wasn’t a ‘citizen’ — just that it took a Congressional Resolution to declare him ‘natural born.’ The Canal Zone was NEVER under US jurisdiction – it was merely ‘used’ by the US.

    President Carter said, “We have never had sovereignty over it (Panama Canal Zone). We have only had the right to use it. The US Supreme Court and previous American presidents have repeatedly acknowledged the sovereignty of Panama over the Canal Zone.”

    So, I’m not being inconsistent. Your children are ‘citizens’. Whether or not they are considered ‘natural born’ is still up in the air – Congress ‘made’ McCain ‘natural born’ retroactively; SCOTUS hasn’t addressed the issue, and probably won’t for the following reasons:
    1. All available, credible information points to BO’s birth in Hawaii.
    2. If he was born in Hawaii, he is ‘natural born’ and there is no reason for SCOTUS to address the issue.
    3. There has been no credible, legal evidence that BO was born anywhere else (and please don’t bring up ‘he’s hiding it all!’ — you give one man WAY too much credit/power).
    4. If he wasn’t born in Hawaii, there has to be a travel record, a US Customs record of his mother re-entering the country, her passport record of travel a day or two after his birth (at the time, women weren’t discharged NEARLY as quickly as today, so that would have been an AMA ‘self discharge’), something other than an old woman saying ‘he’s a child of this village’ (which I don’t for a second understand how that translates to “I saw him born here in the hospital”).
    5. His father’s nationality has no bearing on BO’s ‘American-ism’. He saw him once or twice his whole life. Someday we’ll have a president born in South Dakota who’s mother travelled the world in the year before his/her birth and has no idea who his father was….then what?? We get to go through this again?

  90. Jew permalink
    November 17, 2008 6:45 pm

    OK I think everyone is over looking the fact that Obama is not his given name is was Barry Sorento or something I can’t spell that shit! any way it should say that on the BC not Hussin obama whatever!

  91. GiveItUp permalink
    November 17, 2008 7:04 pm

    Jew – Obama was known as “Barry” in his youth, but asked to be addressed with his given name during his college years. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633)

    ‘Soetoro’ was his stepfather’s name which either a) Obama was given upon his adoption, or b) his mother started using as his last name upon their marriage.

    Barack Hussein Obama is his full given name.

  92. Kellie Towner permalink
    November 17, 2008 8:07 pm

    He is our President elect. Stop the strife and stop hating.

  93. John Casey permalink
    November 18, 2008 4:53 am

    Justice Souter has requested that Barack Obama produce his long version notarized birth certificate by December 1, in order to certify the election. If not, Obama will forfeit the election to John McCain and Sarah Palin.

    Obama’s grandmother in Kenya, says she was there at the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya when Barack Obama was born there.

    Considering his father wasn’t a citizen and his mother was 16 and living abroad when the clear requirement is she be living here for the 5 years prior (and be traveling abroad) and be 18 years of age.

    Obamer loses.

  94. Another Reader permalink
    November 18, 2008 9:41 am

    John,

    Judge Souter has not requested or demanded anything. There will be a hearing on the writ. Basically they will determine if a lower court will be asked to make a finding on fact.

    Don’t trust me, go to the source. You can check the status of this at the Supreme Courts web site. Read it yourself from the source that counts.

  95. Ted permalink
    November 18, 2008 7:01 pm

    You gotta hear this 90 minute blogradio on why the media has a blackout of the looming Obama Birth Certificate Constitutional Crisis:

    http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-is-obamas-birth-certificate-still.html

  96. November 19, 2008 3:30 am

    Whether Anna Dunham (Obama) gave birth in Kenya or in Hawaii, there has to be a travel record, a US Customs record of her re-entry to the U.S. from Kenya, her passport record of travel, within a few days before or after his birth.

    Thank you, GiveItUp. I think we have found a point of agreement . . . not that we derive the same conclusion from that point.

  97. DBA permalink
    November 19, 2008 4:01 am

    Even if all this was factual, it would not matter. We are no longer a nation of laws. The evil forces behind the Morocco Bomber just raised over $ 650 million to have him “elected” – does anyone seriously doubt that the resources needed to forge documentation could not now be secured ? Get serious.
    The only sensible thing for freedom loving white Euro-Americans to do now is make plans to get your ass and your assets out of the USA – this ship is sinking faster than the Titanic on April 15, 1212.

  98. November 19, 2008 5:59 am

    DBA, I don’t know where your allegiance lies. But we didn’t fight a war for Independence, a war against slavery, two world wars, a cold war, and a war on Islamist terrorism – each one a war for freedom – just to give up now.

    The cost of liberty is eternal vigilance. “Give me liberty, or give me death.”
    The price of giving up is slavery for our children, and their children, and their children…

    This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, remember? Except for the Antarctic archipelago, there is no place else to go.

    FREEEEEDOMMMM!!!

  99. Another Reader permalink
    November 19, 2008 10:17 am

    Giveitup,

    Show us a link to a official State or Federal website that references that a court found that McCain was not a Natural Born Citizen. I am not going to take you on your word that this in fact is true. All of the things I have brought up are verifiable thru other direct sources. Not blogs or commentary.

    And as an FYI. Another case was heard in Hawaii yesterday and it was not summarily dropped.

  100. GiveItUp permalink
    November 19, 2008 11:53 am

    Another Reader — I misspoke (the hazards of typing with a child in one’s lap!). The court did not unequivocally ‘find’ that McCain was, in fact, a citizen.

    http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/Hollander-Order-7-24-08.pdf

    What it found was that the issue was ‘unresolved’ and that there were conflicting legal rulings – both on the sovereignty of the Canal Zone and on the citizenship status of citizens born abroad.

    Ultimately, the case was dismissed, but the findings were included in the ruling. Ultimately, it required a non-binding resolution by Congress, though, to ‘resolve’ McCain’s citizenship status.

  101. jcsjcm permalink
    November 20, 2008 10:27 am

    US SUPREME COURT CONSIDERS EMERGENCY STAY!
    ———
    US SUPREME COURT SCHEDULES FULL CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS NJ CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING OBAMA ELIGIBLITIY

    Today, the United States Supreme Court scheduled the case – Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey – US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407 – for a conference of the nine Justices. The conference is a completely private affair and the public may not attend. If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled. The conference is scheduled for December 5, 2008, ten days before the meeting of the Electoral College.

    REFERENCE
    Leo Donofrio’s Web Site

  102. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 12:15 pm

    Giveitup,

    I am curious to hear what you think of the above post. Here is a link with detailed info.

    http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

    I also found the HS Resolution 511 of which you were speaking. This is nothing but window dressing. It’s a Resolution. It carries no weight of law behind it. In fact, it carries no more legal relevance than any of the posts on this blog.

    Do you think that it is pure coincidence that Obama was a sponsoring party to this resolution?

  103. organicpeas permalink*
    November 20, 2008 12:37 pm

    Calendar No. 715110th CONGRESS

    2d Session

    S. RES. 511

    Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

    IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

    April 10, 2008

    Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

    April 24, 2008

    Reported by Mr. LEAHY, without amendment

    April 30, 2008

    Considered and agreed to

    RESOLUTION

    Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

    Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

    Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

    Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

    Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

    Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

    Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

    Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United Calendar No. 715110th CONGRESS2d SessionS. RES. 511RESOLUTIONRecognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.April 24, 2008Reported without amendmentStates.

    Note this sentence: “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” That’s a pretty open door, should a court decide that this Senate resolution has the force of law. In fact, it could even be used in support of Barack Obama if SCOTUS takes up the case.

    Here’s an interesting note… look at the co-sponsors:

    # Sen. Claire McCaskill [D, MO]
    # and 5 Co-Sponsors

    * Sen. Hillary Clinton [D, NY]
    * Sen. Thomas Coburn [R, OK]
    * Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT]
    * Sen. Barack Obama [D, IL]
    * Sen. Jim Webb [D, VA]

  104. organicpeas permalink*
    November 20, 2008 12:39 pm

    As an aside, if McCain was born off base, in a non-military hospital (as giveitup says), he would also be disqualified from being President (in my opinion).

  105. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 12:48 pm

    Organicpeas,

    Anything is possible at the moment. Just image if both were ruled ineligible. What a mess that would be!

  106. GiveItUp permalink
    November 20, 2008 12:58 pm

    I think that Donofrio’s case is different than Berg’s in that it does not focus on the birth certificate issue – or even Obama in particular, but rather is actually a lawsuit against NJ SOS Nina Wells, saying that she did not perform her statutory duties. Obama isn’t even listed as a party in the case. Donofrio actually claims that both major party candidates and a 3rd candidate (Caldero?) on the presidential ballot are ineligible – for which he sued Wells.

    Quite honestly, I think SCOTUS (if they accept the case – a ‘conference’ is what they do to make that decision) will NOT rule in Donofrio’s favor. But I doubt they’ll even hear the case. AT MOST all they can find is that Ms. Wells did not perform her duty to reasonably vet the candidates.

  107. GiveItUp permalink
    November 20, 2008 12:59 pm

    organicpeas — McCain WAS born ‘off base’ in Colon Hospital – which is in Panama ‘proper.’ The base hospital wasn’t built until after his birth.

  108. organicpeas permalink*
    November 20, 2008 1:08 pm

    That makes a difference in the way I see things. If I were a Supreme Court justice and called upon to settle the “natural born” issue, I’d say the child of a military member who is overseas on active duty is a natural born citizen if born on base (sovereign terrority), or if born in a local civilian hospital if that’s all that’s available. The same would go for diplomats (although I think I saw something, somewhere, sometime that specifically exempted the children of diplomats from being natural born .. or it could be my advancing years).

  109. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 1:26 pm

    Obviously, the case is different than Bergs. That was the point of the post. If they do hear the case it will ultimately mean they will clarify the Natural Born Citizen question. And it would most definitely affect the outcome of the election.

    According to the Resolution 511, McCain was born on the base.

    “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United Calendar No. 715110th CONGRESS2d SessionS. RES. 511RESOLUTIONRecognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.April 24, 2008Reported without amendmentStates.”

  110. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 4:02 pm

    I have to wonder GiveItup, your only response to anything regarding any of the lawsuits, is that they will be dropped. This does not really seem plausible. I have a friend who is an Attorney and is very knowledgeable in this area and he does not agree with your sediment.

    And while I am not an attorney, I have spent a lot of time looking at all of the available info on this topic and it is hard for me to believe that this will just go unheard. The Donofrio case in particular looks like it will gain traction.

    Admittedly, this whole situation is a hot potato. But I have confidence that our system will eventually get it right. And by right, I mean not ducking it because it might result in a controversial decision . Making a ruling on this now does a several things. It might possibly prevent an ineligible person from becoming President. And it would also provide clarity to an area of Law and our political system so as to prevent a similar situation arising in the future. And most importantly it will restore faith that we will indeed uphold our Constitution. Because all is lost if it is just decided to skip this because it might be difficult, uncomfortable or result in a “politically incorrect” decision.

    The fact that the Virginia court made a ruling on this does not mean much. These types of cases are regularly. overturned by higher courts. It is by design that these types of cases work up thru the system.

    You asked if I would accept a non-binding resolution from Congress. The answer to that is a resounding no. (My guess is you were baiting me to use the 511 resolution for McCain against my argument) It would be nothing but a politically motivated move. Besides it is not a decision for Congress to make. The idea of a Natural Born Citizen is specifically called for in the Constitution. The Supreme Court is the only government body that can make an interpretation.

  111. inquiring_minds permalink
    November 20, 2008 5:35 pm

    All this is quite ironic. Most everyone here feels violated because the constitution is at risk being annulled. So you wrap yourselves in a cloak of patriotism, and with self-righteous indignation, you appoint yourselves as the true guardians of the US and the constitution. Blah Blah Blah. Enough of the moral outrage and self-pity.

    How many of you were this vocal when you were lied to about the Iraq war? Where was your outrage? Wouldn’t it be nice if we could hear from 4000 soldiers who died in Iraq? Their voices are the true absentee ballots.

    You all are so transparent. This has nothing to do with a BC or citizenship. It has to do with losing an election. How do I know? Because if Obama lost the election, you all would be somewhere else.

    Losers.

  112. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 5:56 pm

    inquiring_minds,

    You know nothing about my thoughts on Iraq. You are the worst type of idiot. You jump in into thread accusing people you don’t know anything about. You’re just another lazy troll, a mindless zombie unable to actually look for the truth or allow others to be individuals.

    If you have something of substance to add that is on topic, then let’s hear it. Short of that, save your BS for someone else. It’s funny, but people like yourself when making comments like this are doing the very thing that you are constant whining about others doing.

    Of course in saying this, I know that it will fall on deaf ears. You will just come back with some stupid BS that is off topic or is just an attack on others you know nothing about. So I tell you what, if you do respond. Impress me. Show me that you can actually come up with something intelligent. Not just some blathering nonsense.

  113. GiveItUp permalink
    November 20, 2008 6:10 pm

    Another Reader – The ONLY issue in the Donofrio case is: “Did the NJ SOS do her job?” SCOTUS will either say “yes, she did” or “no she didn’t” or “there is nothing of merit to this case.” They are not going to demand a birth certificate from Obama, McCain, or Caldero based on this case. A birth certificate is not going to be ‘proof’ that the SOS did her job — which is ALL that Donofrio’s case is about…it is the ONLY thing that is at issue in his case. For Obama’s bc to be ‘the’ issue in a lawsuit, someone (with standing) would have to file a supportable suit saying that not know what is on his bc has caused them demonstrable harm. Berg does not have standing, Donofrio’s case isn’t about birth certs, Keyes’ isn’t either, and Martin’s case is about what HE ‘wants’ as an ‘author’ (probably doesn’t qualify him as someone with a tangible interest in or standing to obtain BO’s birth cert). The way I see it, Hawaii has vouched for his COLB, it is good for everything except verifying Hawaiin native/cultural heritage (which Obama has never claimed), and SCOTUS would have to essentially say “We think the Hawaiin gov’t is lying – hand over the REAL birth cert”. Not gonna happen – especially with the cases now being heard.

    As far as McCain’s place of birth – I’ve seen the bc that is posted online (which, by the way HE did not ‘offer’ but was obtained via another lawsuit when it was entered as evidence). He was born OFF base at Colon Hospital. Good thing that resolution was non-binding.

  114. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 6:54 pm

    GiveItUp,

    We disagree. So let’s just wait and see what the courts say. That is their function, to resolve disputes.

  115. GiveItUp permalink
    November 20, 2008 7:04 pm

    Another Reader….whattaya know? We agree on something! :)

  116. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 7:37 pm

    You gotta start somewhere … ;-)

  117. inquiring_minds permalink
    November 20, 2008 10:01 pm

    Another Reader,
    You think the bloggers here are merely interested in the constitution and they just want to make sure everything is done correctly? Do you think if the SCOTUS closes the door on the lawsuits, they will breathe a sigh of relief that the constitution once again weathered a storm and happily fall in line behind BO? Or do you think most will just expand the scope of the conspiracy that got him elected?

    Most of the bloggers here would never consider BO the legitimate pres. So the argument over the COLB is just a rouse.

    GiveItUp is right. Let the courts decide. But just look at the momentum . . . No one in government, regardless of their political leaning, is waiting on the courts.

  118. Another Reader permalink
    November 20, 2008 10:51 pm

    I can’t speak for anyone other than myself, but my interest in this is not solely to find an avenue to remove Obama from office. You are correct, there are certainly extremist. But let’s recognize that there are extremist and ignorant people on both sides of the political landscape. And quite frankly, it is this type of arrogant and ignorant behavior in people that is probably the bigger problem.

    I have no problem with the likes of GiveItUp. While we disagree, there were no personal attacks. GiveItUp presented thoughts in a reasonable way and I respect that. But if you spend any time at all in these types of forums you will almost certainly encounter personal attacks. Far too many people have formed opinions, both political and religious, without ever really looking for any facts to confirm what they believe to be the truth. They are sheep being led to the slaughter by a news media that has lost all measure of objectivity. It’s easy to spot them because they can not defend their own thoughts.

    And for the record, it is I (twice now) who has said “let the courts decide”. Oh, and props for a reasoned response.

  119. GiveItUp permalink
    November 21, 2008 11:07 am

    http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081121/NEWS20/811210355/1001/localnewsfront

    A Circuit Court judge has dismissed Internet author Andy Martin’s lawsuit seeking to obtain a copy of President-elect Barack Obama’s Hawai’i birth certificate… Martin did not fall into any category of persons defined under state law as having a legal right to the record, said the judge… Ayabe wrote that Martin also failed to demonstrate that “irreparable harm will occur if the records are not provided to the plaintiff.”… He cited Martin’s “lack of standing” and also ruled that Martin never legally served Lingle and state Health Department director Dr. Chiyome Fukino with a copy of the legal complaint.

    Not too suprising.

  120. Another Reader permalink
    November 21, 2008 11:50 am

    I saw that earlier this morning. I was always a little leery of this one because he seemed like a self promoter. I did not write it off completely because often it turns out to be someone like this who ends up making something happen. They are willing to go out on a limb and take risks that most would not.

    I still believe the Donfrio case is the one to watch. If nothing else comes of this, I have learned a great deal from researching the intricacies of how the Supreme Court functions.

    So that’s one down, and at last count , 16 more to go.

  121. November 22, 2008 11:58 pm

    The ONLY issue in the Donofrio case is: “Did the NJ SOS do her job?” SCOTUS will either say “yes, she did” or “no she didn’t” or “there is nothing of merit to this case.”

    You may be right – and that’s a good point.

    It doesn’t answer the overriding question though – Why won’t Obama just release it – Why fight on every front? Why teams of lawyers?

    And it isn’t just this –

    “He has sealed not only his long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, but his medical records, his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School – indeed, any record that might have required the original long form “vault copy” of his birth certificate…”

    It’s stupid on his part. And it’s worse that the media is letting him get away with it when they have dogged every other candidate for tax records, medical records and every other conceivable thing.

    Stupid on his part.

  122. GiveItUp permalink
    November 23, 2008 3:56 am

    The overriding question (according to you) is “Why won’t he just release it?” Short answer – he hasn’t been legally required to release it; the information on the short form satisfies all legal citizenship requirements (except ‘native Hawaiian’ claims).

    As for your other ‘grievances’:
    1. His birth certificate is not ‘sealed’ – it is being treated with the same regard for privacy as every other birth certificate in Hawaii. Go see if you can get a copy of Don Ho’s birth certificate just because you’re curious.

    2.His medical records are not necessary. He has a letter from his doctor stating that he is fit for the job. McCain didn’t release his, either – he let a reporter (or a few) spend an hour or so looking at them: no copies, no notes, no asking his doctors any questions.

    3. Financial Aid records are also not ‘public records’. Go ahead – try to access your congressman/woman’s school financial records. You can’t. BO’s records are not being treated ‘specially’ – they are being treated with the SAME protections as any other American’s records.

    4. He has released tax records through 2007.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  123. Another Reader permalink
    November 23, 2008 7:16 pm

    The Donofrio case is going to open all of this up to be scrutinized. Your hypothesis that the case would end with nothing other than a complaint or admonishment to Well’s is ridiculous. The case outlines a constitutional argument on “Natural Born Citizenship” status. I have done a lot of research on this topic and have thru independent sources verified Donofrio’s claim that that the action of it being picked and distributed to conference is an extraordinary event.

    The Supreme Court picks up cases that involve Constitutional questions. They would not call this to conference to over the simple issue of Wells not performing her duty. They would simply refuse it and allow the New Jersey Supreme Court deal with it. Because that particular aspect of the case is purely a State issue.

    Giveitup, what would you like to bet that this gets heard on the merits of the Natural Born Citizenship argument? I have been checking posts on other sites and am starting to suspect that you may be one the folks working for Obama whose job it is to dispute all of these claims on internet sites.

  124. GiveItUp permalink
    November 24, 2008 12:11 am

    LOL!! I work for a small vocational college teaching medical assistants and am a portrait/wedding photographer in my spare time (the little there is after taking care of my 3 children – including the one who has Down syndrome) – this is the only blog I post on regularly (besides my own), although I will say that I have ‘dropped in’ on a few other sites from time to time as they interest me. I post and get involved in issues that interest me, not because I am some kind of ‘employee’ that is required to do so. ((shakes head)) I thought we were kind of past such accusations.

    The case rests on the hypothesis that NJ SOS Wells didn’t do her job — THAT is what SCOTUS will rule on: whether or not Wells ‘properly certified’ the eligibility of the presidential candidates. There is no reason to ask for ANY candidate’s birth certificate – they are going to want to know HOW Ms. Wells certified the candidates…HER procedure – not THEIR qualifications.

  125. GiveItUp permalink
    November 24, 2008 12:13 am

    LOL!! I work for a small vocational college teaching medical assistants and am a portrait/wedding photographer in my spare time (the little there is after taking care of my 3 children – including the one who has Down syndrome) – this is the only blog I post on regularly (besides my own), although I will say that I have ‘dropped in’ on a few other sites from time to time as they interest me. I post and get involved in issues that interest me, not because I am some kind of ‘employee’ that is required to do so. ((shakes head)) I thought we were kind of past such accusations.

    The case rests on the hypothesis that NJ SOS Wells didn’t do her job — THAT is what SCOTUS will rule on: whether or not Wells ‘properly certified’ the eligibility of the presidential candidates. There is no reason to ask for ANY candidate’s birth certificate – they are going to want to know HOW Ms. Wells certified the candidates…HER procedure – not THEIR qualifications.

  126. jcsjcm permalink
    November 24, 2008 9:26 am

    Please sign the worldnetdaily petition:

    http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/11/just-produce-dog-gone-bc.html

  127. Another Reader permalink
    November 27, 2008 11:16 pm

    Yet another case hits the Supreme Court docket: Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz (Connecticut). The number of cases being filed is really starting to pile up. This means that there are now 3 active cases on the Supreme Courts docket and it still is not being reported or more importantly investigated by the mainstream media.

    Save me the “it’s not news” retort. It “won’t be news” right up until it becomes the the biggest political story of our lifetime. This will end up being the death of mainstream media as well.

  128. GiveItUp permalink
    November 28, 2008 3:29 pm

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm

    Application denied by Justice Ginsburg.

  129. Bridg permalink
    November 29, 2008 5:12 pm

    “but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.” YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE LIAR AND A PHONY. NO U.S. SUPREME COURT LAW CLERK HAS THE AUTHORITY TO”REQUIRE” A LITIGANT TO RESPOND TO A PETITION, NOR HAS THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OR A LAW CLERK REQUIRED THAT OBAMA PRODUE “AN AUTHENTIC BIRTH CERTIFICATE.” The only question before the Court is whether Mr. Berg has standing to sue. This website is a big phony– please produce a link to an order of the Court requiring Obama to produce a birth certificate.

  130. Another Reader permalink
    November 29, 2008 10:57 pm

    Not sure which post you are referring to about requiring Obama to produce a certificate, but you are right. There has been no order to produce any documentation. Yet….

  131. organicpeas permalink*
    November 30, 2008 12:05 am

    Bridg is referring to the original post of this thread. He may be right, but that doesn’t make the author of the post a “liar” or a “phony.”

  132. John Casey permalink
    November 30, 2008 1:11 pm

    Another Day……..You’re a few days behind the facts. The fact is as I stated. Obamer must provide Justice Souter the original long birth certificate by December 1. What you are referring to “was” the status. Now Justice Souters’ mandates that this document be presented by December 1. Obamer loses again!

  133. John Casey permalink
    November 30, 2008 1:24 pm

    Another Day…….This is a link you will want to read.

    http://texashillblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/scotus-requires-obama-to-show-birth.html

  134. John Casey permalink
    November 30, 2008 1:34 pm

    Another Day……..The following text is the result of Philip Bergs’ law suit. I am unable to text the link as it is being blocked by the moderator.

    From Texas Hill Country:

    “Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

    If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.

    “I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate,” says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. “They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power – even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”

    Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.”

  135. organicpeas permalink*
    November 30, 2008 5:25 pm

    Just a note… the default on wordpress flags some posts (I’m guessing ones with links) for moderation. I get to them as quickly as I can but life interupts at times. All I can ask is that if your post doesn’t show up right away, please be patient. Thanks!

  136. Another Reader permalink
    November 30, 2008 7:37 pm

    John,

    I have watched this about as closely as it can be watched. However, I would need some official source for this information. I am not going to accept a blog entry for fact without some kind of official source to confirm the information.

    There are a few credible sources of information on this, but there is also a lot of completely unsubstantiated crap being spread around as well.

    Besides, tomorrow is D-Day for Berg. So hopefully we will hear something from an official source late tomorrow.

  137. Tom from Florida permalink
    December 1, 2008 6:00 pm

    I don’t hold out too much hope. Check out this letter I received from my Republican Senator. The ruling class is protecting eachother.

    Thank you for contacting me regarding President-Elect Obama’s citizenship. I appreciate hearing from you and would like to respond to your concerns.

    Like you, I believe that our federal government has the responsibility to make certain that the Constitution of the United States is not compromised. We must fight to uphold our Constitution through our courts and political processes.

    Article II of the Constitution provides that “no Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.” The Constitution, however, does not specify how that qualification for office is to be enforced. As you may know, a voter recently raised this issue before a federal court in Pennsylvania. On October 24, 2008, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania released an order in the case of Berg v.Obama.In that case, the plaintiff, Phillip Berg, raised the same issue that your letter raises regarding proof of the President-Elect’s birthplace. Through his lawsuit, Mr. Berg sought to compel President-Elect Obama to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate.

    The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg’s suit and held that the question of Obama’s citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office.

    Presidential candidates are vetted by voters at least twice – first in the primary elections and again in the general election. President-Elect Obama won the Democratic Party’s nomination after one of the most fiercely contested presidential primaries in American history. And, he has now been duly elected by the majority of voters in the United States. Throughout both the primary and general election, concerns about Mr. Obama’s birthplace were raised. The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of President.

    After he is sworn into office, Mr. Obama will be our nation’s President and I intend to bestow upon him the honor and respect due any man who holds that Office. Yet, I am certain that there will be times when I will disagree and oppose President Obama’s policies. When that happens, you can be assured that I will pursue vigorously what I believe to be in the best interest of Florida and the nation.

    I thank you for sharing your views with me and will keep your concerns in mind. If you have additional questions or comments, please contact me. For more information about issues and activities important to Florida, please sign up for my weekly newsletter at http://martinez.senate.gov.

    Sincerely,

    Mel Martinez
    United States Senator

  138. Another Reader permalink
    December 2, 2008 12:08 pm

    Tom,

    Fortunately, congress will not play a part in this. The Supreme Court will make a ruling on this. It looks very much like the Donofrio case is going to open it all up to be scrutinized. The FULL court has voted to move it to conference, not just Thomas. There is also talk that the Court is seriously considering Staying the electoral college vote until his eligibility can be determined. (This has not be confirmed by any official source)

    The response you received does not surprise me at all. I’m not sure any of them would have the backbone to actually take a stand on something like this. That is not how Congress works. They don’t do or commit to anything in public that can not be denied. If he were to speak out on this in public and then for whatever reason it did not come to pass, he would be ostracized.

    I

  139. GiveItUp permalink
    December 2, 2008 5:49 pm

    AR – Where did you find that all the justices voted to move it to conference? I haven’t seen that anywhere. In fact, it only takes ONE judge to refer a case for conference, 4 to grant cert, and 5 to overturn a lower court’s ruling.

    The ONLY question before the SC on this one is: Did Ms. Wells do her job? Again, it’s about her PROCESS not Obama’s BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

  140. Another Reader permalink
    December 2, 2008 10:10 pm

    GiveItUp,

    I have the direct source on all judges having voted to move to conference. It is true. As far as Wells, you are incorrect. It will be about his eligibility. (Not his birth certificate).

    Care to place a little wager on this one???

  141. GiveItUp permalink
    December 3, 2008 1:59 am

    I’d appreciate a gander at the ‘direct source’ – meaning I want something more ‘official’ than Donofrio’s blog notes.

    Since the crux of his case is that Wells did not properly validate the candidates credentials, I see no forthcoming demand from SCOTUS for BO’s bc. They will rule Bet you a virtual margarita!

  142. GiveItUp permalink
    December 3, 2008 1:11 pm

    I doubt that any of this goes anywhere, but here’s what it boils down to:
    ONE SIDE:
    1. We DEMAND that you, the Courts, ignore the Constitutional limitations on your jurisdiction, and ignore the Constitutional procedure for determining a President’s eligibility, in order to “protect the Constitution” (????) by ruling on whether the Constitutional requirement re: a President’s eligibility has been established.

    THE OTHER SIDE:
    2. There is already a system in place for this kind of challenge to a PE’s eligibility:

    3 U.S.C. 15. Section 15 directs that Congress shall be in session on the appropriate day to count the electoral votes, with the President of the Senate presiding. It directs that designated individuals shall open, count and record the electoral votes, and then present the results to the President of the Senate, who shall then “announce the state of the vote.” The statute provides a mechanism for objections then to be registered and resolved:

    “[e]very objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made . . . shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision.”

    The Twentieth Amendment further provides,

    “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be elected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”

    It is clear that mechanisms exist under the Twelfth Amendment and 3 U.S.C. 15 for any challenge to any candidate to be ventilated when electoral votes are counted, and that the Twentieth Amendment provides guidance regarding how to proceed if a president elect shall have failed to qualify.

    The members of the Senate and the House of Representatives are well qualified to adjudicate any objections to ballots for allegedly unqualified candidates. Therefore, this order holds that the challenge presented by plaintiff is committed under the Constitution to the electors and the legislative branch, at least in the first instance. Judicial review — if any — should occur only AFTER the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course. Texas v. United States, 523 U.S. 296, 300–02 (1998).

    This is perhaps the best laid out explanation as to the process for confirmation of eligibility. Every argument made before the courts is null and void as the constitution already provides the mechanism for this type of situation. Even the Donofrio claim that Obama cannot be a “natural born citizen” due to being born with dual nationality fails on its face due to the fact that both James Buchanan and Chester Arthur were also born with dual nationality and yet both served as president.

    Anybody who doubts the certification of live birth already provided by Barack Obama digitally needs to find two people to agree with their doubts. One Member of the 111th House of Representatives and one member of the 111th Senate. They need to file their objection in writing.

  143. organicpeas permalink*
    December 3, 2008 3:35 pm

    Here’s the link to the website of the United States Justice Foundation, the law firm handling the Keyes’ case:

    http://www.usjf.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index&catid=13

  144. GiveItUp permalink
    December 3, 2008 3:46 pm

    Donofrio’s plea for emergency stay:
    http://www.fortheconstitution.com/download.php?f=donofriostayapp.rtf

    And Donofrio’s entire case is here:

    “…this proposition leads to the logical conclusion that a natural born citizen is a citizen born in the United States to parents, neither of which is an alien. Having an alien parent would tie such person at birth to the possibility of other loyalties and laws.”

    This, if it were true, would mean that the presidencies of Andrew Jackson (son of 2 immigrant parents), Thomas Jefferson, James Buchanan, Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover were all unconstitutional. Obviously, such was NOT the intent of the founding fathers, and for Donofrio to make such a claim goes against established precedent.

  145. Another Reader permalink
    December 3, 2008 4:49 pm

    Let’s let the Supreme Court decide what is going or (not going) to happen with this case. And I can tell you that I have personally already read and studied all of the items you have presented.

  146. Another Reader permalink
    December 3, 2008 6:27 pm

    GiveItup,

    I ask you, all of the other garbage aside, are you satisfied with the Image that was put on the fightthesmears sight as evidence. You personally. Forget the politics for a moment. You seem logical in that you are presenting text from the constitution. So you tell me, do you really believe, given all of the things that we know to be true (documented) that there is simply no reason to question the validity? Do you believe that no one has the right to question it?

    Again, I think you believe that I am arguing for this simply because I am a Republican (which I am not) or I will do anything to remove him. All not true.

    Answer this, why has he not just provided the actual Birth Record that shows the hospital, doctors sig, etc. ? What is the harm in doing this? It would seem to me he is doing himself a greater disservice in not allowing public inspection. And please do not patronize with the suggestion that he send a copy to everyone. You know that is not what I mean. Are you comfortable with a leader that is concealing information? Again, what could POSSIBLY be on that document that would do him any harm in presenting if what he says about himself is true? If he was born in Honolulu as he says, and the short form indicates, the only further information that would be revealed would be the actual hospital, doctors name etc. How would any of that info be harmful, or invasive of his privacy? Besides, once you become a public figure, most privacy laws don’t apply to you anyway. I haven’t checked yet, but once he takes office, would it not be available using a FOIA query?

    Again, forget the politics for a moment. If you were doing business with someone personally would YOU accept this as evidence?

  147. GiveItUp permalink
    December 3, 2008 7:40 pm

    What is it that we ‘know’ to be true? That the colb is ‘forged’? I don’t ‘know’ that – I know that a digital image that has been compressed (who knows how many times) has ‘artifact’ that could represent either manipulation or jpeg artifact from compression. Why would the automatic assumption be that it was a forgery?

    He has not provided a vault copy because no court has required him to (McCain didn’t ‘provide’ his to the public – it was evidence in HIS lawuits about his citizenship and obtained, I assume, through FOIA). Also to provide his original bc in response to Berg’s lawsuit would have granted Berg ‘standing’ on that issue and (by inclusion) the other issues…so not only would Obama be giving Berg standing on the bc issue, he would be giving it on every issue Berg raised.

    The FOIA Applies only to federal agencies and does not creat a right to access to records held by Congress, the courts, or by the state or local government agencies — since Birth Certs are state entities, they aren’t covered by FOIA requests (unless they’ve been entered in to evidence or through another venue into a federal proceeding of some sort).

    As for the ‘how could that information be harmful if the colb is true?” question: it wouldn’t be harmful for people to have that information — but if the colb is valid, then the rest of that information is neither needed nor necessary for everyone to see and the colb satisfies all requirements.

    If I were doing business with someone and I needed their bc for some reason and what they gave me looked ‘official’ and I called the issuing state and they said ‘yep, it’s one of ours’, I’d accept it. I wouldn’t scan it, compress it, email it, download it, etc — I’d hold it in my hand and look at it. THAT is where I cannot buy all the ‘it’s a fake!” hoopla…not ONE of those people has held the actual document….nor are they ‘entitled’ to. If it has been accepted as legitimate and genuine by those who NEED to know and by those who OUGHT to know, then I can accept that.

    I have not yet seen ONE supportable reason to question the validity of his colb….not ONE. An analysis by an ‘incognito’ “expert” who puts neither his face nor his name to his analysis? An analysis, btw, not of the original form, but of a compressed jpeg SCAN of the document. “He is a child of this village?” Nope, cultural idioms abound and the tortuous logic needed to make that say “I saw his birth here in Kenya” boggles the mind. Where are the Customs records of his mother’s departure for Kenya and her return to the States? THAT would be a smoking gun….”He lost his US citizenship when he was adopted by Sotero” — in direct contradiction to “a child cannot lose their citizenship because of ANY action by their parent.”

    I am satisfied that BO was born in Hawaii. That, regardless of any ‘dual citizenship’ claims, he is a ‘natural born’ citizen of the United States and has never renounced that citizenship or needed to reclaim it for any reason. Therefore, he is eligible for POTUS.

    BTW, privacy laws apply to everyone….even public figures. They give up some ‘social’ privacy – not ‘legal’ privacy.

  148. Another Reader permalink
    December 3, 2008 9:06 pm

    I’m sorry but the assertion that McCain did not do it is not a reason. This has nothing to do with him. This where you and I will never come together on this. I believe he should present it because it is the right thing to do. Not because there is no law or authority that requires it. Not that you will care but here are the “supportable reasons”

    1.) The short form is not a complete birth record.
    2.) As per Hawaii law, it is possible to obtain such a
    certificate without having been born there.
    3.) His father was from Kenya, a British Citizen
    4.) His move to Indonesia.
    5.) The questionable travel to Indonesia and Pakistan
    when he was 20.
    6.) And the biggest reason, he is expending a great
    deal of money and resources to fight producing a
    simple certificate that go along way towards putting
    this to rest.

    All of these items are “documented” and not disputed.

    Now I know that you think you have the absolute answer and truth for each of these. But you don’t. You don’t have access to official documentation. You don’t have access to official travel policies in 1982. I have searched everywhere and have only found conjecture. Nothing that would qualify as proof. Besides, Pakistan was under marshal law at the time, very unstable and not US friendly. Do you have any official documentation on what Pakistan’s travel policies were at the time? I don’t think so.

    As for the statement from the Hawaii records department concerning his Birth Records, they were VERY careful in the wording of that statement. All it really says, is that they have A RECORD. They said nothing about what that record says. They could have clarified later, but did not.

    And lastly, he has not produced anything but a short form with very little data. That certificate could be absolutely authentic, but still not prove that he was born in Hawaii. As for the birth announcement, this could certainly have been placed by a mother who was attempting gain citizenship for her baby. (If he had not been born there) This was not uncommon then, or now for that matter.

    As far as I am concerned this all a plausible and it DOES NOT require or imply any great conspiracy. For me these are reason enough to ask for confirmation. It is quite a convenient argument for you to say that we can not access one of the few documents that could clear this up.

    Feel free to respond, but save your energy if you plan to post something to refute all of these items. There isn’t anything you could possibly post that would convince me he is not hiding something. The only way for that to happen would be for him to come clean and allow the records that would confirm all of this to be a strange, but true coincidence. But he will not, he will spend a great amount of money and resources to fight this and I for one am not willing to accept a leader who would act in such a manner.

    And please do not bring up Bush. That seems to be the only response anyone has as to this. They can’t really address the issues , they simply say: But Bush did this or that, HA! A completely juvenile response by any standard. A simple redirection because they have no real answer.

    In any case, our conversation here is mostly useless, because these issues will be addressed by the courts.

  149. Ronald Proby permalink
    December 4, 2008 2:22 pm

    I think BHO’s lawyers have gone through the Chester Arther – Buchanan argument and correctly consider BHO to be on the winning side of any ‘divided – loyalty – at – birth’ argument.

    At the same time it is difficult to avoid questioning the motives behind the enormous expenditure of time and money by BHO’s staff to avoid disclosure. It seems they see some solid danger to be found in a preponderance of evidence diminishing his legitimacy. A little here and a little there.

    Hence the martial clampdown on all documentation dealing with his past.

  150. GiveItUp permalink
    December 4, 2008 7:12 pm

    “At the same time it is difficult to avoid questioning the motives behind the enormous expenditure of time and money by BHO’s staff to avoid disclosure.”

    I think the only ‘danger’ is that to answer ONE charge is to grant ‘standing’ to ALL charges — and THAT will be far more expensive and time consuming to address than to simply file a ‘request to dismiss’ (which is SOP for ANY lawsuit of this type).

  151. DAVE IN CA permalink
    December 4, 2008 11:02 pm

    i am just sick of this guy dodging this issue….. show the damn original birth certificate… until the liberal media that got him elected presses him on this he can hide it…. how hard is it get out your origional and have professionals examine it to prove that he is legitimate and let’s get on with the down fall of the nation. if this comes out later and proven to be a liar everything he has done, appointments, bills, laws, programs, are going to be voided. anything that people who was appointed did will be null n void.. show the real deal and get it over with

  152. Cindi Aylor permalink
    December 5, 2008 4:08 am

    I can’t fart without someone wanting to see my original BC and 2 forms of ID. And why isn’t the media covering this?

  153. GiveItUp permalink
    December 5, 2008 10:57 am

    They don’t want your ‘original’ — they want your state-issued bc. Two different things.

  154. Ronald Proby permalink
    December 5, 2008 2:34 pm

    “I think the only ‘danger’ is that to answer ONE charge is to grant ’standing’ to ALL charges”

    GiveltUp is using lawyer’s arguments. Such arguments as above can be used to justify a total refusal to ever honour any legal request for information, no matter how reasonable.

    And even if BHO were to grant standing to “ALL charges” what would be the result ? That he be required to submit his birth certificate ? His application forms from Harvard ? Is this really asking so much ?

    I find GiveItUp’s efforts on this site suspiciously partisan, that is, taking an enormous amount of time and effort to pars every point discussed on this thread. In short, the lad seems to be trying a bit too hard………..

  155. GiveItUp permalink
    December 5, 2008 5:01 pm

    Actually, it’s taken almost no effort at all to see why these lawsuits won’t ‘fly’. I’m just waiting now.

  156. Another Reader permalink
    December 5, 2008 5:45 pm

    “I think the only ‘danger’ is that to answer ONE charge is to grant ’standing’ to ALL charges”

    What other charges? There is only one issue in question. And that is the documentation that proves his eligibility. You seem to be suggesting that releasing his birth records would lead to other charges of misconduct. Do you know something about him that we don’t?

  157. Chief permalink
    December 6, 2008 2:23 pm

    @GiveItUp… I luv it each time you Libs make the statements like “Bush didn’t have to show his… McCain didn’t have to show his…” wahhhh, thats like the 5th grader “but Teacher, Johnny didn’t turn in HIS homework….wahhhh”. Grow UP, this is about the POTUS. Any question of his Eligibility questioned by a Citizen, a very Large Group of citizens, about his Constitutional qualifications are fair game.

    NO, your correct, nobody has asked BHO himself to show his B.C. But if he were half a man he would step up and insist it were viewed by some party personnel that question him. That is, Unless he DOES NOT WANT them to see it…for some reason.

  158. Chief permalink
    December 6, 2008 2:25 pm

    And NO the hooligans in Hawaii that claim to have seen the Birth Certificate aren’t sufficient. One because they gave no details other than “yes, there is a birth certificate, we seen it”. BIG WHOOP! And Two, if there is any chance they are on the payroll, which there is, it needs to be certified document experts along with trusted agents to see it. Anything short of that is not legit.

  159. Chief permalink
    December 6, 2008 2:39 pm

    GiveItUp, on December 5th, 2008 at 10:57 am Said:

    They don’t want your ‘original’ — they want your state-issued bc. Two different things.

    x x x x x x x x x x

    Maybe, Maybe NOT GiveItUP. Your on the ObamaWagon, which makes you blind to Possible Wrongdoings from Obamas people.

    If U.S. Citizens question BHOs eligibility, they deserve to know the truth of what the vault B.C. says. What scares you about SEEING it? Why do ALL Liberals defend that COLB as if it is a mirror copy of the vault copy, when it IS NOT?!

  160. Another Reader permalink
    December 7, 2008 1:36 am

    Well Chief, I think it is called relativism. Liberal’s arguments are often inconsistent because of this concept.

    I have to confess that I really get a kick out of all of the “tin foil hat”, “neocon”, “right wing nut” etc. etc. comments that are used in a derogatory way against anyone who happens to disagree. They are either too lazy or stupid to research the facts on a given topic and are often too blinded by their own partisanship to even look.

    At least GiveItUp presents an argument. But I do agree with Ronald on GiveItup. You don’t really have to look any further than than the tag line he chose to use.

    You have to also ask yourself this about the mainstream media, what else are they neglecting to report? Personally, I think it is pretty hard to defend the fact that they have refused to cover the growing number of lawsuits surrounding this issue. Regardless of whether you personally think they have merit or not, they were (and still are ) news. They are certainly reporting the lawsuits that are now being filed against Prop 8 in California. They consider those lawsuits to be newsworthy and one could certainly argue they are no different than the current slate of suits concerning Obama’s eligibility.

  161. leaveittothelaw permalink
    December 7, 2008 5:23 pm

    Is being born through the vaginal canal the same as natural born. Why did the Founding Fathers not say native born. I betcha there was a good reason.

  162. Another Reader permalink
    December 8, 2008 11:30 am

    Donofrio vs. Wells was denied certiorari as per official order on the SCOTUS web site this morning. However, there is still no word on the Berg case.

  163. curious permalink
    December 8, 2008 4:54 pm

    I think everyone is missing something here. If the Clinton’s had known that Obama had issues proving his citizenship, and trust me they would have known, Hillary would have made this an issue during the campaign. The fact that the Clintons did not make this an issue long ago tells me that there is nothing to it.

  164. Ronald Proby permalink
    December 8, 2008 5:04 pm

    All is not lost. As far as Donofrio vs. Wells is concerned, if the Justices were and inch or two above craven cowards they could include all sorts of observations and mini caveats in the text of their refusal.

    My hunch is that there will little to digest here other than the word no.

    Certainly hope I’m wrong.

  165. Another Reader permalink
    December 8, 2008 5:34 pm

    Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz has been distributed to the full court by Justice Scalia. It has been noted that this case is much more procedurally correct thant the Donofrio case.

    There has also been no word on the Berg case.

  166. December 8, 2008 9:09 pm

    You stupid republicans, there is smell of burning, …, yah, that is your ass. Now that S.C. rejected your ultimate sexual fantasy, what you are going to do? Better start crying.
    No court will revers people’s vote with this margin. Go and find a better job instead of looking for stupid stories. There are many people who need legal assitance and you can help them.

  167. Another Reader permalink
    December 8, 2008 9:52 pm

    Yet another intelligent response. So do you really believe that this type of response will make a difference? Do you think this is going make someone rethink their stance or position?

    Besides, until all of the cases clear the dockets you can’t really say much. That is not a partisan statement, it is simply the truth.

    Hope you feel better about yourself “a”. You really put everyone in their place tonight.

  168. Another Reader permalink
    December 8, 2008 9:59 pm

    Curious,

    While I agree with the general notion that the Clintons are well connected, they are not all knowing. Besides, it would have been a risk for any of the candidates to take this on during the campaign.

  169. whatwillhappenwhenobamacanttakeoffice permalink
    December 10, 2008 10:35 am

    Obama cant disprove this claim against him, he has failed to provide a birth certificate. only hawaiins who should not even had access to that information have provided a document. what does that say.

  170. Common sense prevails permalink
    December 10, 2008 4:25 pm

    Hawaiian officials did not confirm Obama’s citizenship. The just stated that “has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”.
    No validation of any of the data period.

    Here is the quote from the Hawaii Department of health and the link to it also.

    Ref: link for the unbelievers: http://healthuser.hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

    “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”

    Now I ask where do you see anything that states that his certificate is valid? It clearly does not.

  171. jillellingson permalink
    December 15, 2008 6:10 pm

    Wrotnowski denied.
    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm

  172. organicpeas permalink*
    December 16, 2008 3:40 pm

    Not a surprise.

  173. December 20, 2008 8:16 pm

    Box 7c of a 1960′s-era Hawaiian birth registration form is the Usual Address of the Mother, which reasonably could be another state or country NOT the place of birth. The Location of Birth is in box 6a and has nothing in it about other state or country.

    The whole idea of foreign birth registrations in Hawaii in the 1960s is as bogus as the label on box 7c being the location of birth. Obama’s half-sister Maya does NOT have a Hawaiian birth certificate.

  174. L.M permalink
    January 4, 2009 5:57 pm

    “Obama has also failed/refused to release any records pertaining to school, college, and medical. Why? Was he registered as a foreign exchange student at both colleges? A retired INS agent who worked when Obama came into the United States stated he distinctly remembered Obama because of his ‘slick’ manners and speech. The agent says that he went back into the INS files and found the information and that Obama came into the USA on a FS-1 pas sport/visa. FS-1 is a foreign student visa clas sification, not a US citizen passport. So, who out there can get into the INS files and find Soreto/Obama’s record of entry into the USA?“

  175. skeptical of the valley permalink
    January 26, 2009 4:00 pm

    I guess it doesn’t matter now, does it?

  176. organicpeas permalink*
    February 9, 2009 5:58 pm

    No, Chris, I guess it doesn’t.

  177. organicpeas permalink*
    June 30, 2009 7:49 pm

    An update has been added at the top of the “Supreme Court and Obama’s Birth Certificate” post.

  178. LokiBJensen permalink
    July 23, 2009 4:19 pm

    @smrstrauss….if the following quote is true: “The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DETERMINING NATIVE HAWAIIAN HERITAGE for certain state and federal benefits.” Then why is the COLB not good enough for the state of Hawaii to obtain certain benefits?

    I’m just saying… ;)

  179. July 27, 2009 9:40 am

    why did Obanma sign[on his first day as President] an Executive Order sealing all his records from public viewing,if he has nothing to hide?

  180. Lt. Commander Illinois Militia Regemnt 10 permalink
    August 25, 2009 8:47 pm

    I think that the constitution has been breached by enemies within our citizenry and the capital building should be taken by force, the white house should be taken by force, along with the supreme court, and all connected political buildings needing to be controlled by the militia, and/or military until proper implementation of the US Constitution. The military should hold treason trials for the liberal connections, and the communist connections that have already been exposed by Rush, Beck, Hannity, Keyes, and many other followers of the original intent the framers had for our constitution. I am positively convinced by the evidence given, using the common sense God bestowed me, and My parents during my upbringing, that this man is a fraud, he is a devout socialist(ie. COMMUNIST). and when he said he wanted to “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”, He meant making it a dictatorship. He should be shot for treason if found that he is in FACT not a citizen, and I believe he is NOT, and every person socially, politically, and fundamentally attached to this HEATHEN, and despicable character, should be tried by military tribunal, and shot by firing squad if found guilty. Acting as true patriot, I have been threatened, and warned of physical violence by the thugs from the “State of Chicago”, if I decided to pursue the tarnishing of this immaculate dumb ass that now occupies the White House, thinking he has pulled a fast one. The only people he has pulled a fast one on, are you dumbed down, follow the leader “BLACK SHEEP, WHITE SHEEP, and fools that failed to think for themselves while going to public schools, and listening to the socialist teachers that they have purposely set in positions during the past 45 years. This is all traceable in actions taken such as “Political Correctness, Hate Speach”, and the means at which they boldly breach the constitution at this point without much resistance. Many of these actions are implemented by the left, to distract from what their true intentions were, and you idiots let them get away with it.

    I can’t wait for the opportunity to fight with you on the matter of the security of our country. Liberals think “GUNS KILL PEOPLE”. So they wouldn’t know hwo to pick one up and load it, let alone shoot it. So you will be easy to pick off.

    If we are attacked again like September 11th, I can guarantee that we will have a civil war here in our country. I am prepared for that moment, because it is inevitable. This idiot in the white house, and his followers wouldn’t know how to defend a nation against aggressors, if they bit him on the ass. Niether would any of you liberals.

    We await the opportunity to destroy liberalism, once and for all in this next conflict. Beware, you will be watched. and you all will be taken in by the communistic leader, and will be the first to be killed, so you dont turn on him, when you find out the truth. And at that pont, if you survive, you will be killed by a military person, becuase we wont be betrayed by you exposing us, to save your own cowardly ass.

    Good Luck, and God Bless America!

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  181. Tom permalink
    September 2, 2009 12:30 am

    Actually, self-styled “Lieutenant Commander” of a fantasized militia, I plan to shoot your rosy red arse off. And I know how. It’ll be fun. I’d shoot you in the brain if you had one. Nitwit.

  182. October 1, 2009 5:18 pm

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  184. Marauder permalink
    December 30, 2009 1:20 pm

    Whether the Hawaiian birth certificate exists is secondary to another question: FACT: Barry Soetoro (Obama’s former name) attended a Muslim school in Indonesia, where a strict requirement is that the student MUST be an Indonesian citizen. In order for a US citizen to become a citizen of another country, he must first renounce his American citizenship, at which moment Obama ceased to be an American citizen. FACT: There are no records to show that he ever applied to re-establish that presumably renounced citizenship.
    So the question stands – regardless of where his Hawaiian birth certificate is or whether it exists – is this: Is he really a citizen of the US, and if really born in Hawaii, can that citizenship be restored? That he’s made no effort to offer any kind of proof to settle the issue but in fact has spent untold amounts of money to suppress that proof is enough to cause concern.

  185. Jeff permalink
    January 6, 2010 6:40 pm

    Check out the link below as I found it to be interesting and disturbing at the same time.

    http://www.infowars.com/ap-declared-obama-kenyan-born/ http://www.infowars.com/ap-declared-obama-kenyan-born/

  186. January 9, 2010 8:21 pm

    I FIND IT MOST IMPROBABLE THAT WE HAVE A SITTING PRESIDENT (OBAMA)
    IN WASHINGTON, D.C., WHO WON THIS ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE, AND NOT BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AS WELL AS HAVING A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
    PLEASE PRODUCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND THAT WILL END OF THE CHOAS
    AND CONFUSION THAT IS COMING OUT OF THE MEDIA AND LEGAL SYSTEM.

  187. April 1, 2010 10:53 pm

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  188. April 23, 2010 7:29 pm

    Great blog, Please leave the President make some changes as promised you can get a replacement birth certificate to forget his authentic one.
    http://www.replacementbirthcertificate.org online source that delivers you new obama birth certif.
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  189. DELPHINE BRITE permalink
    May 3, 2010 2:58 pm

    I DO NOT BELIEVE OBAMA IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN

    HE IS DOING EVERTTHING IN HIS” PRESIDENTIAL ” POWER
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  190. mork of ork permalink
    April 14, 2011 9:11 pm

    Am I a few years behind in finding your brilliant attempt uo subvert a member of our government?

    How much swill have you spewed inbetween then and now?

    Are you trying to get on McTrumps show?

  191. jesus permalink
    April 24, 2011 6:06 pm

    if obama can not product a BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Which you need to get any ID., bank account; driver lincense etc. Than he should not be president. We American need a birth certificate to get these items and move. A birth certificate MUST be SIGNED by the doctor that did the delivery. I”m tried of this government always bending the rules for their own needs. We need a militery to protect our rights; because the courts and federal government is not doing it. This government has killed our fathers, brothers, mothers and sisters; behind wars that the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION STATES WE ARE NOT ALLOW TO GET INTO. Obama shoukld not be president, and we the people should step up and do something about it. If he really had a birth certificate; this would nopt be in the courts. And the U>S> Spreme court should be removed from office, for not enforcing Obama to product a certified birht certificate. How long are we going to allow these triators kill our people and put our lives in jeopardy?

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